Guess the grade on a piece of copper, thoughts welcome, and a question...

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dizzyfoxx
dizzyfoxx Posts: 9,823 ✭✭✭
edited February 6, 2018 3:42PM in U.S. Coin Forum

Thanks everyone.

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  • TPRC
    TPRC Posts: 3,819 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    I wouldn't think the planchet issue would impact the grade at all. Having said that, i am not sure it will straight-grade. Though I am not expert on copper color, the overall tone, especially in the hair beads, makes it looks like it may have been re-colored. Plus, something is going on at stars 9-10. Copper guys put lots of stuff on a lot of their coins, including olive oil and blue Ribbon, so maybe it is fine. Reverse looks really nice and RB. If it straight grades, it will be a high grade, and 65B or better. How is that for a wishy-washy opinion? Would like to see that coin in hand.

    Tom

  • Walkerguy21D
    Walkerguy21D Posts: 12,164 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    I'm also a little skeptical of the pinkish color on some of the highpoints.
    I own, and have examined, a fair number of MS large cents, and this one just doesn't look right,
    but it could well be market acceptable and straight graded just fine.

    Not sure about the planchet defect's affect on the grade. I think on some buffalo nickels, where planchet defects are common, they get genny'd. I own a '43 petite head in an old rattler holder with similar planchet defect on the reverse, and it graded 63, but have had a number of people tell me the coin should easily be in 4 holder. Not sure if that defect held back the grade, or if they were just very conservative on it.

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  • Treashunt
    Treashunt Posts: 6,748 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Nah, plus it looks like it may be a strike thru.

    Nice pick up, I like it

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  • 291fifth
    291fifth Posts: 25,218 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Hmmmm? I am tending toward the "recolored" opinion. The flaw is a negative though it does not scream out at the viewer.

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  • BillJones
    BillJones Posts: 35,933 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    If the colors in the photo are accurate, I think that the coin has been cleaned and re-colored. It's a shame because the piece appears to have Mint State detail otherwise.

    As for the depression on the reverse, I have seen that on a number of large cents from the 1850s, and always in the same general area below "CENT." I not sure what causes it, but unless the coin is really high grade, I don't see it as a major problem.

    Here is a fairly high grade large cent from the era that might give you a frame of reference as to the color.


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  • TheDukeK
    TheDukeK Posts: 359 ✭✭✭
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    I"d guess details but for the burnished look.
    The planchet won't hurt the grade though.

  • Jimnight
    Jimnight Posts: 10,846 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited February 3, 2018 1:59PM
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    Not being a expert... I would guess details?.. It will be interesting to find out what the grade is.

  • robkool
    robkool Posts: 5,934 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    MS63BN... I can't tell if those are spots, or staining. Without those issues, then it could possibly go higher.

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  • dizzyfoxx
    dizzyfoxx Posts: 9,823 ✭✭✭
    edited February 6, 2018 3:41PM
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    Here is the True View pic

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  • BigMoose
    BigMoose Posts: 1,469 ✭✭✭
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    The color looks better on the True View. The defect on the reverse is a low spot likely caused by grease or debris on the die. It is commonly seen on Late Date Large cents. If it straight graded, I am guessing 65 BN.

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  • 291fifth
    291fifth Posts: 25,218 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    It does look much better in the True View. 64 Brown would be my guess based on the True View photo.

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  • 1Mike1
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    58 to 63. reverse doesn't bother me but the color is questionable. Has been "played" with.

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  • crazyhounddog
    crazyhounddog Posts: 14,250 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited February 3, 2018 5:27PM
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    It sure is attractive no matter what the grade. But to answer your question I do believe it will.

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  • coinkat
    coinkat Posts: 24,542 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    MS coin worthy of a 63. Coin looks enhanced based on the bold lustre. Possible details grade even though I think straight grade would be my call. Could be a strike thru on the reverse. I would not net grade or reduce the grade for that. Not sure the copper experts would agree with my thoughts

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  • jedm
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    @291fifth said:
    It does look much better in the True View. 64 Brown would be my guess based on the True View photo.

    My thoughts exactly after seeing the True View.

  • Kkathyl
    Kkathyl Posts: 3,762 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    The bun is blue on just the beads that seems unlikely to happen but I guess it did here. Nice looking coin but agree about the color but I still like it.

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  • dizzyfoxx
    dizzyfoxx Posts: 9,823 ✭✭✭
    edited February 6, 2018 3:43PM
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    Hey all,

    Thanks for all the feedback.

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  • Raybo
    Raybo Posts: 5,362 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    @dizzyfoxx said:
    Hey all,

    Thanks for all the feedback. It's housed in a PCGS MS64BN holder.

    DAMN! I was just going to post my guess of (guess what?).......,.yup.....64 all the way, and I love copper!

  • mvs7
    mvs7 Posts: 1,662 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Nice coin! Congrats.

  • lkeigwin
    lkeigwin Posts: 16,895 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    No, I don't think the planchet flaw held it back.
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  • ricko
    ricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Nice cent... I agree with the 64 grade....The surface does look as if it has had some treatment... not sure what though, have not worked much with copper. Cheers, RickO

  • Broadstruck
    Broadstruck Posts: 30,497 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    If you just bought this and have a return option send this back as the surfaces are far from original. Although it looks dipped and recolored it might have been a chemical conservation to rapidly remove areas of verdigris. Copper like this if held long term will continue to get more funky then re-skin.

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  • MikeInFL
    MikeInFL Posts: 10,192 ✭✭✭✭
    edited February 4, 2018 10:53AM
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    Nice coin. The issue on the back is a non-issue. A good coin for the 64BN grade, I think, and I am not as concerned with the color as some who have responded to this thread.

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  • asheland
    asheland Posts: 24,545 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    I like the coin, I'd say 64 BN

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