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Can you guess what is happening here?
EagleEye
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The area to the NW of the date is sunken into the coin.
The area to the W of Lincoln is also sunken.
The area above LIBERTY is also sunken on the coin.
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Just guesses .....
A super thin super late stage cap die???
Or extremely worn wobbly die???
You see the wobble around the profile as well. Does look like the die was moving around.
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Looks like multiple strikes as the obverse die rotated, or the reverse die rotated and the coin rotated with it.
Just a guess.
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Strange thing to me is the sunken area by the date. There is a raised area just beyond the sunken area as you go inward towards the center of the coin. it looks like what you would see if you hammered something into a struck coin - you would see metal displaced upward. However this looks like it is in the die, like die wear. But die wear is usually on the outside of the design element.
Struck through a capped die where the die cap jiggled loose and shifted a bit before striking this coin.
I have photos somewhere of shifted late stage die caps with wide doubling and they have a similar look to this coin. On your coin the doubling is not nearly a spaced out as my on coins, but your coin has way more detail making my think it could by a super (thin) late slightly shifted die cap where the letters have punched thru the die cap. Just throwing it out there. Not sure.
Rick, Did you get this one from TTTT when he visited your shop?
I also vote “struck through a late state partial die cap,” that was my first instinct even before reading the other replies.
Sean Reynolds
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It looks to me like the damage happened at the very moment the die was in contact with the planchet. As the metal was being displaced the die moved and dragged the design elements into a different area.
The pressure involved at the instant of the strike (and movement of the die at the same time) dragged the design to a new area before the die moved away.
It's the only thing I can think of that might have happened when I try to visualize the event.
That's the best scenario I can contribute. Right or wrong.
Pete
Agree. VLS cap
Ascot, Balmoral, Barretina, Beret, Capirote, Caubeen --- or maybe Gatsby, Kolpik, or Toque ?
Thanks seanq and CaptHenway, makes sense.
Just typing out loud...
Is it possible that the Hammer Die can be loose and shift while striking while the Anvil Die stay's still?
That is a new error for me... I have not seen anything like that one before...not at shows or on forums. Thanks for the analysis.... Cheers, RickO
Nice group!
Die cap pounded paper thin, then became dislodged from the die and was sort of turned inside out by the next strike, being struck into the coin.
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You beat me to it. I was going to post something like this
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I would call it a very late stage die cap strike. There is some slight "shifting" of the cap, which is why some of the design elements appear "doubled."
Great coin.....thanks for posting. Agree with the thin LS die cap theory.
Yes, #ErrorsOnCoins, Thank you as well.