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1809 half, fake or old counterfeit?? Im stumped

I saw this at a pawn shop earlier and it seemed off to me. The reeded edge was a dead giveaway right? Theyre supposed to be lettered not reeded.... the weight was correct for a 1809 half dollar and it defintely looked like silver. I dont know guys what do you think?

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    jonathanbjonathanb Posts: 4,099 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Looks like a modern Chinese knockoff to me.

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    DollarAfterDollarDollarAfterDollar Posts: 3,217 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I'm no authority but I don't think any coins had reeded edges for many years after 1809.

    Agree with the counterfeit diagnosis.

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    coin22lovercoin22lover Posts: 3,542 ✭✭✭

    No need to be stumped...it's a modern junk fake.

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    fake :(

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    Spartcom5Spartcom5 Posts: 399 ✭✭✭

    Okay good that's what I thought. I expressed my concern to the guy in the pawn shop but he was not convinced so I left it at that. They had $80 on it and someone will probably buy it from them soon not knowing.

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    BIGAL2749BIGAL2749 Posts: 742 ✭✭✭✭

    A casted fake and not very good even for the Chinese

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    CaptHenwayCaptHenway Posts: 33,965 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @jonathanb said:
    Looks like a modern Chinese knockoff to me.

    This

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    TomBTomB Posts: 23,027 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Looks like modern garbage to me.

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    JimnightJimnight Posts: 10,846 ✭✭✭✭✭

    At first glance it looked fake.

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    Timbuk3Timbuk3 Posts: 11,658 ✭✭✭✭✭

    :s !!!

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    rickoricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭

    As a great grandchild would say to me... "kaka poppy, kaka".... :D:D Cheers, RickO

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    BillJonesBillJones Posts: 35,834 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Modern garbage fresh from the Chinese garbage factory.

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    DoubleEagle59DoubleEagle59 Posts: 8,431 ✭✭✭✭✭

    That coin should only take 5 seconds to identify as a Chinese-made fake.

    For starters, just look at the date numerals - they're way off compared to a genuine one.

    Many other diagnostics, but no more are needed in this case.

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    jmlanzafjmlanzaf Posts: 41,929 ✭✭✭✭✭

    It's funny that if this coin were on eBay, there would be wailing and gnashing of teeth. But in a B&M, we just leave it there and move on. eBay isn't perfect, but they do try and remove fakes.

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    johnny9434johnny9434 Posts: 32,814 ✭✭✭✭✭

    bogus coin.

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    vplitevplite Posts: 1,385 ✭✭✭

    That looks really fake, and I have been fooled by some fakes. But not by that.

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    lkeigwinlkeigwin Posts: 16,895 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Obviously the reeding gives it away instantly. Pretty dumb counterfeiters.

    Even without the reeds the usual giveaway are letters and numerals. In this case the date is laughable.
    Lance.

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    TreashuntTreashunt Posts: 6,747 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Just look at the date... fake

    Then the reeding, never mint made

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    sellitstoresellitstore Posts: 3,085 ✭✭✭✭✭

    The real Miss Liberty doesn't have a lip piercing with an earring.

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    tincuptincup Posts: 5,479 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited January 18, 2018 6:39PM

    @jmlanzaf said:
    It's funny that if this coin were on eBay, there would be wailing and gnashing of teeth. But in a B&M, we just leave it there and move on. eBay isn't perfect, but they do try and remove fakes.

    I think most here realize there isn't much recourse in a situation like this. As the OP mentioned, the owner didn't seem to care... he will eventually have a sucker that will pay the price.

    I've been to some local auctions and have a couple of times pointed out that a certain coin appeared to be fake... but that does not seem to be much appreciated. So... I could only stand back and watch someone throw their money away... but that's just the way it is. Buyer must always beware.

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    jmlanzafjmlanzaf Posts: 41,929 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @tincup said:

    @jmlanzaf said:
    It's funny that if this coin were on eBay, there would be wailing and gnashing of teeth. But in a B&M, we just leave it there and move on. eBay isn't perfect, but they do try and remove fakes.

    I think most here realize there isn't much recourse in a situation like this. As the OP mentioned, the owner didn't seem to care... he will eventually have a sucker that will pay the price.

    I've been to some local auctions and have a couple of times pointed out that a certain coin appeared to be fake... but that does not seem to be much appreciated. So... I could only stand back and watch someone throw their money away... but that's just the way it is. Buyer must always beware.

    I don't disagree - although a U.S. counterfeit is a criminal offense. But people are always complaining about eBay and eBay removes counterfeits when alerted to it. I just think it's hypocritical to blame eBay for not catching all the counterfeits.

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