Breaking: Trammell and Morris in HOF

rcmb3220 · December 10, 2017 4:31PM

Good day for tigers fans.

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mikelowell25 · December 10, 2017 4:43PM

https://www.mlb.com/news/jack-morris-alan-trammell-elected-to-hall/c-263207676

JBrules · December 10, 2017 4:45PM

Glad to see they finally made it. Being a big Tigers fan this is long overdue.

OldEnglishD5 · December 10, 2017 4:46PM

Great news! Tram is quite deserving and all around great guy. Great teacher of the game as all.

vols1 · December 10, 2017 4:51PM

They are all very good players on list. But I never viewed any of them as Hall of Famers.

mintonlypls · December 10, 2017 4:54PM

Is the '78 Molitor/Trammell Rookie card the only baseball card rookie now w/two Hall of Famers?

rtimmer · December 10, 2017 5:21PM

@mintonlypls said:
Is the '78 Molitor/Trammell Rookie card the only baseball card rookie now w/two Hall of Famers?

Great card but the 1980 Bird/Magic still sits atop the 2 for heap in my opinion.

mintonlypls · December 10, 2017 5:39PM

Forgot about the Bird/Magic one in basketball...definitely tops the list. +

daltex · December 10, 2017 5:40PM

Well, they won't be the worst players there.

addicted2ebay · December 10, 2017 6:59PM

I'm shocked!

-Big Tiger fan

DavidPuddy · December 10, 2017 7:08PM

Ted Simmons: One vote short.
SMH

detroitfan2 · December 10, 2017 7:58PM

@addicted2ebay said:
I'm shocked!

-Big Tiger fan

As am I but also very pleased!

bens4778 · December 10, 2017 8:23PM

Can rationalize Morris. Not Trammell. A very good player. But naming 20 players better than he is who are not in the HOF would not be hard.

saucywombat · December 10, 2017 8:48PM

Happy to see this

grote15 · December 10, 2017 9:16PM

Morris's career ERA of 3.90 is the highest of any pitcher in the HOF.

Piggs · December 10, 2017 9:33PM

@grote15 said:
Morris's career ERA of 3.90 is the highest of any pitcher in the HOF.

Someone has to be. Loved his post season work and old school work completing games.

grote15 · December 10, 2017 9:43PM

@Piggs said:

@grote15 said:
Morris's career ERA of 3.90 is the highest of any pitcher in the HOF.

Someone has to be. Loved his post season work and old school work completing games.

He's remembered, of course, for his brilliant performance in Game 7 of the 1991 World Series, but his overall career ERA in the postseason, even with those 10 innings of shutout ball factored in, is 3.80, just a tenth of a run better than it was in the regular season. He was terrible in the 1987 and 1992 postseasons. We tend to remember the good and forget the bad in cases like this.

Morris was a very good pitcher who had the good fortune of playing for very good teams that provided solid run support. But he is not worthy of the HOF.

Piggs · December 10, 2017 9:50PM

@grote15 said:

@Piggs said:

@grote15 said:
Morris's career ERA of 3.90 is the highest of any pitcher in the HOF.

Someone has to be. Loved his post season work and old school work completing games.

He's remembered, of course, for his brilliant performance in Game 7 of the 1991 World Series, but his overall career ERA in the postseason, even with those 10 innings of shutout ball factored in, is 3.80, just a tenth of a run better than it was in the regular season. He was terrible in the 1987 and 1992 postseasons. We tend to remember the good and forget the bad in cases like this.

Morris was a very good pitcher who had the good fortune of playing for very good teams that provided solid run support. But he is not worthy of the HOF.

I guess I tend to remember the good over the bad in life in general. LOL . I don't know what they look at.

grote15 · December 10, 2017 9:58PM

@Piggs said:

@grote15 said:

@Piggs said:

@grote15 said:
Morris's career ERA of 3.90 is the highest of any pitcher in the HOF.

Someone has to be. Loved his post season work and old school work completing games.

He's remembered, of course, for his brilliant performance in Game 7 of the 1991 World Series, but his overall career ERA in the postseason, even with those 10 innings of shutout ball factored in, is 3.80, just a tenth of a run better than it was in the regular season. He was terrible in the 1987 and 1992 postseasons. We tend to remember the good and forget the bad in cases like this.

Morris was a very good pitcher who had the good fortune of playing for very good teams that provided solid run support. But he is not worthy of the HOF.

I guess I tend to remember the good over the bad in life in general. LOL . I don't know what they look at.

I hear you, Doug. And make no mistake, I liked Jack Morris. He was a very good pitcher. I just don't believe he is worthy of the HOF.

bens4778 · December 10, 2017 10:05PM

@grote15 said:

@Piggs said:

@grote15 said:

@Piggs said:

@grote15 said:
Morris's career ERA of 3.90 is the highest of any pitcher in the HOF.

Someone has to be. Loved his post season work and old school work completing games.

He's remembered, of course, for his brilliant performance in Game 7 of the 1991 World Series, but his overall career ERA in the postseason, even with those 10 innings of shutout ball factored in, is 3.80, just a tenth of a run better than it was in the regular season. He was terrible in the 1987 and 1992 postseasons. We tend to remember the good and forget the bad in cases like this.

Morris was a very good pitcher who had the good fortune of playing for very good teams that provided solid run support. But he is not worthy of the HOF.

I guess I tend to remember the good over the bad in life in general. LOL . I don't know what they look at.

I hear you, Doug. And make no mistake, I liked Jack Morris. He was a very good pitcher. I just don't believe he is worthy of the HOF.

The ERA point is fair, but it's tough to find guys who consistently had a good ERA in the 80's. There were many guys who had good ERA years in the 70s whose careers continued into the 80s (Guidry, Seaver, Perry, either Niekro, T. John, etc.). Clemens is an all-time great, cheating aside, but Gooden burned out quickly. Other randoms or short-termers like J. Andujar, J. Tudor, B. Welch, or M. Scott had individual great years but only limited success.

I would take Tiant or Sam McDowell in their primes over Morris 100% of the time, though. McDowell's 1965 season was far better than any season Morris ever had.

grote15 · December 10, 2017 10:23PM

@bens4778 said:

@grote15 said:

@Piggs said:

@grote15 said:

@Piggs said:

@grote15 said:
Morris's career ERA of 3.90 is the highest of any pitcher in the HOF.

Someone has to be. Loved his post season work and old school work completing games.

He's remembered, of course, for his brilliant performance in Game 7 of the 1991 World Series, but his overall career ERA in the postseason, even with those 10 innings of shutout ball factored in, is 3.80, just a tenth of a run better than it was in the regular season. He was terrible in the 1987 and 1992 postseasons. We tend to remember the good and forget the bad in cases like this.

Morris was a very good pitcher who had the good fortune of playing for very good teams that provided solid run support. But he is not worthy of the HOF.

I guess I tend to remember the good over the bad in life in general. LOL . I don't know what they look at.

I hear you, Doug. And make no mistake, I liked Jack Morris. He was a very good pitcher. I just don't believe he is worthy of the HOF.

The ERA point is fair, but it's tough to find guys who consistently had a good ERA in the 80's. There were many guys who had good ERA years in the 70s whose careers continued into the 80s (Guidry, Seaver, Perry, either Niekro, T. John, etc.). Clemens is an all-time great, cheating aside, but Gooden burned out quickly. Other randoms or short-termers like J. Andujar, J. Tudor, B. Welch, or M. Scott had individual great years but only limited success.

I would take Tiant or Sam McDowell in their primes over Morris 100% of the time, though.

Stieb, Welch, Valenzuela, Hershiser all had better career ERAs tha Morris and played primarily in the 1980s. Run scoring was tougher then than it is today, or was in the 1990s-2000s, but not as tough as it was in the 1970s.

sdsalezman · December 11, 2017 12:17AM

Nice to see both players get elected. I feel like a case could be made for most of those on the ballot.

IMO, the veteran's committee voting historically is more about leniency for HOF worthy players that were great during their era but not in the highest echelon (Ruth, Mantle, Mays). The long waiting period for their induction is sort of like their purgatory before induction.

That said, I remember Jack Morris most for his pitching during the early Tiger years highlighted by his 1984 NBC Game of the Week No-Hitter and his lights out pitching in the 1984 World Series. As for Alan Trammell, he was pretty much the American League version of Barry Larkin in that he was overshadowed in the media by another HOF shortstop (Ripken, Ozzie) during his career. If he had won the 1987 AL MVP award he deserved over George Bell, he would have been inducted on the writer's ballot instead of the veteran's ballot.

Stingray · December 11, 2017 4:38AM

Still mad about Trammell getting screwed out of the 87 MVP award!!

miwlvrn · December 11, 2017 5:51AM

@Stingray said:
Still mad about Trammell getting screwed out of the 87 MVP award!!

I've posted the same thing on this board several times and couldn't agree more!

So glad to hear both of them are in. Roar in '84!

LarkinCollector · December 11, 2017 7:43AM

@mintonlypls said:
Is the '78 Molitor/Trammell Rookie card the only baseball card rookie now w/two Hall of Famers?

The price on that one in PSA 9 shot up a lot yesterday.

Darin · December 11, 2017 7:44AM

I'm not really surprised the committee would elect two American Leaguers.
Most of the former players on the committee spent most, if not all, of their careers
in the AL, including Brett, Yount, Carew, Winfield, Eck.
The four hitters mentioned above faced Morris a lot of times, and if they feel he's deserving,
I have no complaints about it.
I think the inductees are fairly deserving, but do feel if they're in then Dave Parker,
Dale Murphy and some others are also deserving.

Darin · December 11, 2017 7:46AM

@LarkinCollector said:

@mintonlypls said:
Is the '78 Molitor/Trammell Rookie card the only baseball card rookie now w/two Hall of Famers?

The price on that one in PSA 9 shot up a lot yesterday.

I have a rack pack with the molitor/trammell rookie on top. Hope that shot up a lot also.LOL.

Dand522612 · December 11, 2017 7:48AM

As a Sox fan I don't think Rice was deserving anymore than these two are. It is the Hall of Fame and not the Hall of Good. If there is any question as to whether someone is deserving then they are simply not. Is this the Bill Mazerowski and Bert Blyleven syndrome??

HighGradeLegends · December 11, 2017 10:20AM

I still remember Jack's game 7 ws 10 inning gem...well earned congrats

ugaskidawg · December 11, 2017 11:48AM

So how are they going to treat the HOF Post War Registry. Will the card we have for the Molitor spot be allowed for the Tram spot too? Or, will you have to have two separate entries? Don't know if there are people on here who have the basketball HOF registry going, but maybe you can tell how they treat the Bird/Magic RC.

ugaskidawg · December 11, 2017 11:56AM

Or maybe they are just going to have one entry for both players.

mintonlypls · December 11, 2017 3:39PM

@Darin said:

@LarkinCollector said:

@mintonlypls said:
Is the '78 Molitor/Trammell Rookie card the only baseball card rookie now w/two Hall of Famers?

The price on that one in PSA 9 shot up a lot yesterday.

I have a rack pack with the molitor/trammell rookie on top. Hope that shot up a lot also.LOL.

Nice rack!!!

BGS_Buyer · December 11, 2017 6:26PM

Did they show the total voting results? Cant find it anywhere.

grote15 · December 11, 2017 6:33PM

@BGS_Buyer said:
Did they show the total voting results? Cant find it anywhere.

Morris got 14 out of 16 votes. Trammell got 13.

BGS_Buyer · December 11, 2017 6:34PM

who were the closest ?

grote15 · December 11, 2017 6:35PM

@BGS_Buyer said:
who were the closest ?

Simmons just missed by one vote with 11.

BGS_Buyer · December 11, 2017 6:40PM

how does this work next year?
10 all new guys?
some of the same guys, some new?

grote15 · December 11, 2017 6:44PM

https://www.cbssports.com/mlb/news/jack-morris-and-alan-trammell-voted-into-hall-of-fame-by-modern-era-committee/amp/

BGS_Buyer · December 11, 2017 6:51PM

thanks

rtimmer · December 11, 2017 10:18PM

Yeah these guys were close... I'm in the Morris makes sense but Trammell doesn't camp. For card values I'm glad Trammel made it because I have a few choice Molitor cards and packs so that helps there value.

Glad to see the veterans are finally letting some veterans in... For my next surprise prediction I pick Lee Smith to make it in a couple of years.

Nikklos · December 12, 2017 12:22AM

Mickey Klutts will be next.

Estil · December 12, 2017 3:47AM

This sorta took me by surprise TBH. Morris isn't all that surprising (he did pretty well in the BBWA voting but that eyesore of a 3.90 ERA was really killing him)...I don't recall either Alan or Lou Whitaker (they were sort of seen as a big Dynamic 2B/SS Duo getting hardly any votes at all from the BBWA so for Alan to get in now seemingly all of a sudden is quite a surprise.

While I'm not optimistic, I hope Curt Schilling moves higher up the vote this BBWA election. He's the Mr. October of pitching and it's beyond stupid he's being left out of the HOF for mostly political reasons :P

BGS_Buyer · December 12, 2017 6:48AM

I'm from the Detroit area, and watched these guys in the 80's ... and even I don't believe they belong in the HOF

But I guess the HOF has to keep itself relevant, so they need to induct players every year ... maybe they shouldn't if they keep lowering the bar for achievement

Did anybody wet their shorts when they heard this breaking news ???

If the HOF wants people to really take notice, ask Rose to join. Ask McGwire, Bonds, Clemens

just my opinion

BGS_Buyer · December 12, 2017 7:02AM

I think the HOF needs to take another look into their stance on certain players and issues. Nobody has lead perfect lives, including the voters themselves. I think we're hypocrites if we keep out players that did so much for the game.

We're going to be asking for forgiveness from our maker one day, but cant let some ballplayers in the HOF ???

Nathaniel1960 · December 12, 2017 5:05PM

Anyone putting together a 1978 Burger King Tigers set in unwrapped cellophane?

countdouglas · December 12, 2017 5:09PM

@Nikklos said:
Mickey Klutts will be next.

I, personally, love me some U. L. Washington. He was on a level of "cool mutha-f****r" with that 'fro and toothpick that Dusty Baker never quite attained.

baz518 · December 12, 2017 7:19PM

I am glad they made it in. I know I'm the exception, but I think some peoples' standards are way too high. I think I saw someone say its not the Hall of Good, but its not the Hall of Once-in-a-Lifetime Greatness either. These guys were stars (and famous) for more than a decade, were superstars in the Midwest and (I assume) lengends of Detroit.

And maybe this will mean Mark Grace will eventually get in, since he was a better player than Trammell!

lahmejoon · December 12, 2017 8:03PM

Morris deserves it, IMO. Less convinced with Trammell, but Whitaker was better than Rickey Henderson, so...

addicted2ebay · December 12, 2017 8:29PM

Like I said I'm a Tigers fan but no they should not be in. Honestly if I was in charge I would probably blow out 1/3 of the members currently in there.

It should be reserved for the .1% of the greats not a yearly excuse for old timers to get together or to make content for espn.

grote15 · December 12, 2017 9:01PM

I'm waiting for the first ebay auctions to utilize the new acronym in their title: HOVG!

Darin · December 12, 2017 9:47PM

I hope Trammells' inclusion opens the door for greats like Buddy Biancalana.
In the course of the entire 1982 season, Biancalanas' stats read like an immortal.
Batting avg. of .500, OBP- .667, Slugged at a 1.500 clip, OPS- 2.167, OPS+ an astronomical 476.
These are numbers Ruth and Williams couldn't even approach.
Sadly, Biancalanas' downfall appears to be that he didn't perform at this level long enough.
Still, his epic performance in that one magical season will live on through the ages.

Breaking: Trammell and Morris in HOF

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