Breaking: Trammell and Morris in HOF
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https://www.mlb.com/news/jack-morris-alan-trammell-elected-to-hall/c-263207676
Glad to see they finally made it. Being a big Tigers fan this is long overdue.
Great news! Tram is quite deserving and all around great guy. Great teacher of the game as all.
They are all very good players on list. But I never viewed any of them as Hall of Famers.
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Is the '78 Molitor/Trammell Rookie card the only baseball card rookie now w/two Hall of Famers?
Great card but the 1980 Bird/Magic still sits atop the 2 for heap in my opinion.
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Forgot about the Bird/Magic one in basketball...definitely tops the list. +
Well, they won't be the worst players there.
I'm shocked!
-Big Tiger fan
Ted Simmons: One vote short.
SMH
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As am I but also very pleased!
Can rationalize Morris. Not Trammell. A very good player. But naming 20 players better than he is who are not in the HOF would not be hard.
Happy to see this
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Morris's career ERA of 3.90 is the highest of any pitcher in the HOF.
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Someone has to be. Loved his post season work and old school work completing games.
He's remembered, of course, for his brilliant performance in Game 7 of the 1991 World Series, but his overall career ERA in the postseason, even with those 10 innings of shutout ball factored in, is 3.80, just a tenth of a run better than it was in the regular season. He was terrible in the 1987 and 1992 postseasons. We tend to remember the good and forget the bad in cases like this.
Morris was a very good pitcher who had the good fortune of playing for very good teams that provided solid run support. But he is not worthy of the HOF.
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I guess I tend to remember the good over the bad in life in general. LOL . I don't know what they look at.
I hear you, Doug. And make no mistake, I liked Jack Morris. He was a very good pitcher. I just don't believe he is worthy of the HOF.
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The ERA point is fair, but it's tough to find guys who consistently had a good ERA in the 80's. There were many guys who had good ERA years in the 70s whose careers continued into the 80s (Guidry, Seaver, Perry, either Niekro, T. John, etc.). Clemens is an all-time great, cheating aside, but Gooden burned out quickly. Other randoms or short-termers like J. Andujar, J. Tudor, B. Welch, or M. Scott had individual great years but only limited success.
I would take Tiant or Sam McDowell in their primes over Morris 100% of the time, though. McDowell's 1965 season was far better than any season Morris ever had.
Stieb, Welch, Valenzuela, Hershiser all had better career ERAs tha Morris and played primarily in the 1980s. Run scoring was tougher then than it is today, or was in the 1990s-2000s, but not as tough as it was in the 1970s.
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Nice to see both players get elected. I feel like a case could be made for most of those on the ballot.
IMO, the veteran's committee voting historically is more about leniency for HOF worthy players that were great during their era but not in the highest echelon (Ruth, Mantle, Mays). The long waiting period for their induction is sort of like their purgatory before induction.
That said, I remember Jack Morris most for his pitching during the early Tiger years highlighted by his 1984 NBC Game of the Week No-Hitter and his lights out pitching in the 1984 World Series. As for Alan Trammell, he was pretty much the American League version of Barry Larkin in that he was overshadowed in the media by another HOF shortstop (Ripken, Ozzie) during his career. If he had won the 1987 AL MVP award he deserved over George Bell, he would have been inducted on the writer's ballot instead of the veteran's ballot.
Still mad about Trammell getting screwed out of the 87 MVP award!!
I've posted the same thing on this board several times and couldn't agree more!
So glad to hear both of them are in. Roar in '84!
The price on that one in PSA 9 shot up a lot yesterday.
I'm not really surprised the committee would elect two American Leaguers.
Most of the former players on the committee spent most, if not all, of their careers
in the AL, including Brett, Yount, Carew, Winfield, Eck.
The four hitters mentioned above faced Morris a lot of times, and if they feel he's deserving,
I have no complaints about it.
I think the inductees are fairly deserving, but do feel if they're in then Dave Parker,
Dale Murphy and some others are also deserving.
I have a rack pack with the molitor/trammell rookie on top. Hope that shot up a lot also.LOL.
As a Sox fan I don't think Rice was deserving anymore than these two are. It is the Hall of Fame and not the Hall of Good. If there is any question as to whether someone is deserving then they are simply not. Is this the Bill Mazerowski and Bert Blyleven syndrome??
I still remember Jack's game 7 ws 10 inning gem...well earned congrats
So how are they going to treat the HOF Post War Registry. Will the card we have for the Molitor spot be allowed for the Tram spot too? Or, will you have to have two separate entries? Don't know if there are people on here who have the basketball HOF registry going, but maybe you can tell how they treat the Bird/Magic RC.
Or maybe they are just going to have one entry for both players.
Nice rack!!!
Did they show the total voting results? Cant find it anywhere.
Morris got 14 out of 16 votes. Trammell got 13.
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who were the closest ?
Simmons just missed by one vote with 11.
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how does this work next year?
10 all new guys?
some of the same guys, some new?
https://www.cbssports.com/mlb/news/jack-morris-and-alan-trammell-voted-into-hall-of-fame-by-modern-era-committee/amp/
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thanks
Yeah these guys were close... I'm in the Morris makes sense but Trammell doesn't camp. For card values I'm glad Trammel made it because I have a few choice Molitor cards and packs so that helps there value.
Glad to see the veterans are finally letting some veterans in... For my next surprise prediction I pick Lee Smith to make it in a couple of years.
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Mickey Klutts will be next.
This sorta took me by surprise TBH. Morris isn't all that surprising (he did pretty well in the BBWA voting but that eyesore of a 3.90 ERA was really killing him)...I don't recall either Alan or Lou Whitaker (they were sort of seen as a big Dynamic 2B/SS Duo getting hardly any votes at all from the BBWA so for Alan to get in now seemingly all of a sudden is quite a surprise.
While I'm not optimistic, I hope Curt Schilling moves higher up the vote this BBWA election. He's the Mr. October of pitching and it's beyond stupid he's being left out of the HOF for mostly political reasons :P
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I'm from the Detroit area, and watched these guys in the 80's ... and even I don't believe they belong in the HOF
But I guess the HOF has to keep itself relevant, so they need to induct players every year ... maybe they shouldn't if they keep lowering the bar for achievement
Did anybody wet their shorts when they heard this breaking news ???
If the HOF wants people to really take notice, ask Rose to join. Ask McGwire, Bonds, Clemens
just my opinion
I think the HOF needs to take another look into their stance on certain players and issues. Nobody has lead perfect lives, including the voters themselves. I think we're hypocrites if we keep out players that did so much for the game.
We're going to be asking for forgiveness from our maker one day, but cant let some ballplayers in the HOF ???
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I, personally, love me some U. L. Washington. He was on a level of "cool mutha-f****r" with that 'fro and toothpick that Dusty Baker never quite attained.
I am glad they made it in. I know I'm the exception, but I think some peoples' standards are way too high. I think I saw someone say its not the Hall of Good, but its not the Hall of Once-in-a-Lifetime Greatness either. These guys were stars (and famous) for more than a decade, were superstars in the Midwest and (I assume) lengends of Detroit.
And maybe this will mean Mark Grace will eventually get in, since he was a better player than Trammell!
Morris deserves it, IMO. Less convinced with Trammell, but Whitaker was better than Rickey Henderson, so...
Like I said I'm a Tigers fan but no they should not be in. Honestly if I was in charge I would probably blow out 1/3 of the members currently in there.
It should be reserved for the .1% of the greats not a yearly excuse for old timers to get together or to make content for espn.
I'm waiting for the first ebay auctions to utilize the new acronym in their title: HOVG!
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I hope Trammells' inclusion opens the door for greats like Buddy Biancalana.
In the course of the entire 1982 season, Biancalanas' stats read like an immortal.
Batting avg. of .500, OBP- .667, Slugged at a 1.500 clip, OPS- 2.167, OPS+ an astronomical 476.
These are numbers Ruth and Williams couldn't even approach.
Sadly, Biancalanas' downfall appears to be that he didn't perform at this level long enough.
Still, his epic performance in that one magical season will live on through the ages.