What would you grade this 1941-S WLH Half?
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The coin has a bold cartwheel luster in hand.
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64 or 65. I don't see many marks to speak of, maybe one on the sun and a couple in the fields, but the strike is a bit soft. I'm on the fence. Are you thinking about crossing it?
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Tough to tell from the images but I don’t see any rub. I’d say 64 or 65.
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very clean. Weak strike and hit on breast will probably keep it in a ms64 and maybe ms65 if looks as nice in hand
The weak "S" Mint strike does not bother me at all, but it is your average 41-S Walker so I have to give it the middle of the road 64+
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Can't really see how "bad" that mark. is on the sun
I would say 64. Tough pic to guess a grade from
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Weak strike 63. Not bad coin, really.
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64/64+ although it could go 65 on a good day.
C+ maybe a solid B without foggy pics.
I'm sorry. My pictures suck.
It would only be worth the fees to submit if there was a reasonable chance of a 65. I was unsure how the services weigh strike for this specific date/mm since it is notoriously weak, which is why I posted it.
I think the hit on the breast hurts it more than the strike, which isn't really that bad for a 41-S.
I like the coin; the strike for the date is acceptable to slightly above average.
It has a shot at 65.
I'll send it in and see what happens. Thank you everyone!
I echo mannie gray's comments, though I think the shot is on the low side to make 65, but it could happen, especially if the luster is a bold as the OP states.
Don't be surprised if it comes back as AU. The Walking Liberty half series was well known for having a lot of "slider unc." coins on the market back in the 1960s. With this coin still not slabbed I suspect there is a reason why.
64.... possible 65 if nicer than pictures show.... hit on breast not good...and what is the mark below the F on the reverse? Cheers, RickO
I guess I'm somewhat out of bounds here. I think it has a shot at 66 (standard caveats regarding grading from pictures - although the picture shows what looks like strong luster).
I would submit it for sure.
I’d say 65. Obverse strike looks normal for S mint, reverse is actually pretty good - good feather detail. Hits on the breast, sun and chatter on leg keep it from going higher. Nice fields and reverse though.
I'm going out on a limb to call this a 66. The midsection is clean. This is about as strong a strike as it gets for a 41-S.
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That looks like an NGC holder to me.
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It's not.
I like it, I could see this getting a 65 fairly easy. But if the tightening of the grades is currently happening, I'd hold off a bit.
The coin should be an MS 65.
Personally I would not go any higher than MS-64 on it. I know there are some who will grade it MS-65. To me an MS-66 needs have a superior strike for the issue of the coin. If all of the coins from a particular date and mint are poorly made, then perhaps there can be no coins in the mintage that grade higher than MS-64 or 65.
Since the 41-S is the key coin in a short set, the price range between a 64 vs a 65 is considerable (several $100's) so the 65 better be an exceptional coin, a 66 that falls short and lands up in the 65 slot. I do not feel this coin garners a 65, but who knows, if it's flashy in hand it might!
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I just don't know that the photos are good enough to definitively call it MS. So picking between 63, 64, 65, or 66 is a real crap-shoot.
FWIW
Here are a couple of my 41-S
One is a 65 and one is a 66. One I think is solid+ for the grade and the other average for the grade.
FYI PCGS doesn't ding you much for strike on S mints unless it's super super super mushy
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From the image - IMO, OP's coin is a slider AU that will probably get into an MS-63 holder.
I agree. In the old days the grading services got conservative when an extra point or two made a huge difference in the price. Now, perhaps that does seem to not matter as much, but if it becomes more widespread , prices will come down.
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AFAIK and from what I've been told, the TPGS have in the past, continue today, and will in the future ALWAYS make a conservative call at the point of large price increases.
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Bingo.
I'll take a look with my loupe tonight.
Maybe it is the lighting but I think the left hand and left leg look abnormal. I am with the AU group.
My gut reaction was that the coin has a 25-40% chance at a 65.
For those bashing the strike, actually the reverse strike is quite good for the date.
I'll be the pessist and say it will come back AU58. The more I look at it the front of her leg looks like rub to me.
I have a 41-s that i grade lock ms66 if the strike was stronger. Clean as many 1941's in ms66+/67
Nice coin. 64+
It is raised and less conspicuous in hand. It looks like a die polish line or even a small die break.
41 s have weak strikes . clean field looks for a 66.... from photo... looks like my PCGS 66
I am in the 65 camp
looks AU to me
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