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    BryceMBryceM Posts: 11,767 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Looks strange to me. Possibly it’s the photo technique but the surfaces don’t seem to demonstrate natural luster.

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    JoesMaNameJoesMaName Posts: 1,061 ✭✭✭

    It looked ok to me untill I thought about it... Then I couldn't decide if I had just spooked myself or was on to something - So I thought I'd ask some experts.

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    mirabelamirabela Posts: 4,982 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Problem coin, avoid

    mirabela
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    cameonut2011cameonut2011 Posts: 10,087 ✭✭✭✭✭

    It looks whizzed to me.

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    TennesseeDaveTennesseeDave Posts: 4,755 ✭✭✭✭✭

    not original

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    JoesMaNameJoesMaName Posts: 1,061 ✭✭✭

    Thanks all for confirming my thoughts. Some happy winner gets to pay $706.00 for that cent.

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    mannie graymannie gray Posts: 7,259 ✭✭✭✭✭

    It has been messed with, and not very successfully.
    You made a good decision to avoid this one.

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    JimnightJimnight Posts: 10,846 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Don't look right to me.

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    ldhairldhair Posts: 7,176 ✭✭✭✭✭

    From the listing.
    Description: Amazing Red-Brown Surface. Very Common Die Break along the stars on the obverse. A stunning coin with very smooth problem free surface!

    Larry

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    OuthaulOuthaul Posts: 7,440 ✭✭✭✭✭

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    KyleKyle Posts: 1,821 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Looks like it's been cleaned, retoned, and tooled.

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    giorgio11giorgio11 Posts: 3,857 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Definitely a Processed coin. Miss Liberty got a new perm and has entered new fields!

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    rickoricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭

    That is definitely not a natural surface....looks buffed with a Dremel brush..... Cheers, RickO

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    logger7logger7 Posts: 8,244 ✭✭✭✭✭

    The OP coin is ugly, shiny, polished. Probably worth under $100 and it sells for a lot of money?

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    davewesendavewesen Posts: 5,943 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I do not think it has been whizzed (would be more fake luster), but definitely altered surfaces - not sure if polished or what.

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    OuthaulOuthaul Posts: 7,440 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Disgusting looking coin!

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    cameonut2011cameonut2011 Posts: 10,087 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @davewesen said:
    I do not think it has been whizzed (would be more fake luster), but definitely altered surfaces - not sure if polished or what.

    I think there has clearly been a movement of metal. The surfaces look unnatural, overly smooth, and it appears to have no natural luster left. The coin does not react to light normally. An original coin with that much meat would certainly have some original luster left. I agree with those saying that it was likely worked on with a Dremel tool to smooth the fields and simulate luster. I also agree that the color looks funky, like someone may have done a botch drop trying to recolor it to hide some of the unnatural appearance of the fields.

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    OuthaulOuthaul Posts: 7,440 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited December 2, 2017 5:30PM

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    silverpopsilverpop Posts: 6,607 ✭✭✭✭✭

    IMHO the coin is majorly whizzed

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    Walkerguy21DWalkerguy21D Posts: 11,250 ✭✭✭✭✭

    And to think they probably had a nice choice unc coin from the Randall Hoard to start with, and wound up mucking it up like this!

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    MikeInFLMikeInFL Posts: 10,188 ✭✭✭✭
    edited December 3, 2017 11:47AM

    1820 is one of the Randall Hoard years, and I strongly suspect this is simply an overdipped example that has retoned. I see no obvious signs of whizzing, but a coin that's an obvious "pass" to me because the surfaces have obviously been messed with.

    While there are a few examples of these coins that look like Bill Jones' superb representative posted above, this is a more typical look:


    If you search Heritage archives for 1820 N-13 in mint state you'll find many, many examples to look at: https://www.ha.com/c/search-results.zx?N=790+231&Nty=1&Ntt=1820+n-13+ms&Ntk=SI_Titles-Desc&ic10=OtherResults-ViewAll-071515

    Almost all of them have spotting to some degree. These coins have a very distinctive look, having allegedly been buried in Georgia in casks underground for decades. When you see a coin that doesn't look like these, your numismatic antennae should stand at attention:

    Some info on the Randall Hoard: https://www.pcgs.com/news/a-history-of-major-us-hoards-randall-hoard/

    Hope this helps...Mike

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    DoubleEagle59DoubleEagle59 Posts: 8,217 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I don't think it's been whizzed but definitely still a problem coin.

    Either some kind of polishing or a crafty photoshop procedure with plenty of shenanigans and chicanery going on.

    RFR!!!!

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    CommemDudeCommemDude Posts: 2,216 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Here is a brown example that retains cartwheel luster. The ebay coin is worth about 40 dollars tops

    Dr Mikey
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    ShamikaShamika Posts: 18,762 ✭✭✭✭

    You can't beat the strike, but you can certainly beat the surfaces.

    Buyer and seller of vintage coin boards!
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    TreashuntTreashunt Posts: 6,747 ✭✭✭✭✭

    cleaned, and retoned

    Frank

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    lkeneficlkenefic Posts: 8,014 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I'm in agreement with the others, but I might also venture to guess that the hair has also been retooled. Avoid! I think there are only 3 or 4 copper dealers I'll purchas from these days, and ebay ain't one of them!

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    BryceMBryceM Posts: 11,767 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Just for fun, another one to look at. Undoubtedly a Randall Hoard coin.

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    BroadstruckBroadstruck Posts: 30,497 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited December 4, 2017 2:08PM

    Probably dipped with further chemical experimentation.

    Problem coin with horrific Photoshop juicing, so your smart to stay away.

    Edited to add:

    Missed the sale price the first time looking... A fool and his money just got separated :p

    Kinda reminds me of when someone buys a rusted out shell of a 1960-70's muscle car, missing the power train and interior. Once restored they have twice as much money tied up in it then had they originally bought one completed.

    This turd needs to be professionally recolored and then its still a problem coin just more presentable.

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    DoubleEagle59DoubleEagle59 Posts: 8,217 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Check out the other items offered from this seller.

    Brilliant white MS silver coins and MS copper coins have definitely been 'altered' by the Photoshop edit choices.

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