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AUandAGAUandAG Posts: 25,035 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Insider2Insider2 Posts: 14,452 ✭✭✭✭✭

    The coin is crap, the slab would fool me. :(

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    logger7logger7 Posts: 9,653 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Screams fraud, label too. Ugly.

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    marcmoishmarcmoish Posts: 6,906 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November 7, 2017 11:58AM

    that's the real slab from 2005....wtf is with this seller/crook?..he's got 540 solid ratings....for sure many would fall for this one....

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    WmwoodWmwood Posts: 102 ✭✭

    What do I do to help?

    Some people believe that slabbed coins are not faked.

    I agree with Insider2 that slab itself looks spot on, I think in hand the label would give it away because they used an inkjet printer, the printing isn't as sharp as a real PCGS label, and the label is a tad low and narrow.

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    ashelandasheland Posts: 24,434 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Terrible fake. :#

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    AUandAGAUandAG Posts: 25,035 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Wmwood said:
    What do I do to help?

    Some people believe that slabbed coins are not faked.

    I agree with Insider2 that slab itself looks spot on, I think in hand the label would give it away because they used an inkjet printer, the printing isn't as sharp as a real PCGS label, and the label is a tad low and narrow.

    Click on "report" about 1/2 down on the right side of the page and then click on Listing, then fraudulent, etc.

    bob

    Registry: CC lowballs (boblindstrom), bobinvegas1989@yahoo.com
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    DoubleEagle59DoubleEagle59 Posts: 8,431 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @AUandAG said:

    @Wmwood said:
    What do I do to help?

    Some people believe that slabbed coins are not faked.

    I agree with Insider2 that slab itself looks spot on, I think in hand the label would give it away because they used an inkjet printer, the printing isn't as sharp as a real PCGS label, and the label is a tad low and narrow.

    Click on "report" about 1/2 down on the right side of the page and then click on Listing, then fraudulent, etc.

    bob

    That use to work, but doesn't anymore.

    Ebay does nothing when you 'report' it.

    "Gold is money, and nothing else" (JP Morgan, 1912)

    "“Those who sacrifice liberty for security/safety deserve neither.“(Benjamin Franklin)

    "I only golf on days that end in 'Y'" (DE59)
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    jmlanzafjmlanzaf Posts: 41,294 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @DoubleEagle59 said:

    @AUandAG said:

    @Wmwood said:
    What do I do to help?

    Some people believe that slabbed coins are not faked.

    I agree with Insider2 that slab itself looks spot on, I think in hand the label would give it away because they used an inkjet printer, the printing isn't as sharp as a real PCGS label, and the label is a tad low and narrow.

    Click on "report" about 1/2 down on the right side of the page and then click on Listing, then fraudulent, etc.

    bob

    That use to work, but doesn't anymore.

    Ebay does nothing when you 'report' it.

    Not true, they shut them down all the time. It's not instantaneous, you need to wait for someone to evaluate.

    All comments reflect the opinion of the author, even when irrefutably accurate.

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    jmski52jmski52 Posts: 23,959 ✭✭✭✭✭

    The fonts are different on the labels, although I don't know if PCGS has kept them consistent over time.

    Q: Are You Printing Money? Bernanke: Not Literally

    I knew it would happen.
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    jmlanzafjmlanzaf Posts: 41,294 ✭✭✭✭✭

    It is the right certification number, interestingly enough. You'd think they could come up with a better coin for the perfect holder.

    All comments reflect the opinion of the author, even when irrefutably accurate.

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    LindeDadLindeDad Posts: 18,766 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Ali Babba fake? It sure looks like one to me.

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    GluggoGluggo Posts: 3,566 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I just informed timboshenko (540 ) to shut this down or call me before I report him to the authorities. Lets see if he calls I will keep you posted, I hope Ebay does not kick me off for doing this!

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    ironmanl63ironmanl63 Posts: 1,975 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I sent this guy a question and this is how he responded.

    eBay
    New message from: timboshenko (540Purple Star)
    This counterfeit cost me around $4300 in Long Beach about 12 years ago. Now I am trying to get enough to pay my wife’s latest hospital bills. So I guess you should probably do what is important to you. Turn in an old army veteran and make sure I have nothing to help my wife.
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    johnny9434johnny9434 Posts: 32,361 ✭✭✭✭✭

    real bogus for sure. at least it did not sell.

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    ironmanl63ironmanl63 Posts: 1,975 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I will not post my response to him here.

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    LindeDadLindeDad Posts: 18,766 ✭✭✭✭✭

    This listing was ended by the seller because the item is no longer available.

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    LindeDadLindeDad Posts: 18,766 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Well at least on that site.

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    WmwoodWmwood Posts: 102 ✭✭

    @AUandAG said:

    @Wmwood said:
    What do I do to help?

    Some people believe that slabbed coins are not faked.

    I agree with Insider2 that slab itself looks spot on, I think in hand the label would give it away because they used an inkjet printer, the printing isn't as sharp as a real PCGS label, and the label is a tad low and narrow.

    Click on "report" about 1/2 down on the right side of the page and then click on Listing, then fraudulent, etc.

    bob

    Thanks he shut that one down before I got to it. I'll be ready for the next one.

    I've read that even sellers with good feedback will slide some fakes in and have mostly real coins to up the profit margins. Add that to the fact 80% people have no clue they got a fake. I'm totally against fakes.

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    GluggoGluggo Posts: 3,566 ✭✭✭✭✭

    That might explain why he never called good work guys. I dont have the expert experience to tell a fake from a real one but if I every get ready to buy one I will bring it here first! You guys are Bad A$$!

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    DoubleEagle59DoubleEagle59 Posts: 8,431 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November 7, 2017 1:31PM

    @jmlanzaf said:

    @DoubleEagle59 said:

    @AUandAG said:

    @Wmwood said:
    What do I do to help?

    Some people believe that slabbed coins are not faked.

    I agree with Insider2 that slab itself looks spot on, I think in hand the label would give it away because they used an inkjet printer, the printing isn't as sharp as a real PCGS label, and the label is a tad low and narrow.

    Click on "report" about 1/2 down on the right side of the page and then click on Listing, then fraudulent, etc.

    bob

    That use to work, but doesn't anymore.

    Ebay does nothing when you 'report' it.

    Not true, they shut them down all the time. It's not instantaneous, you need to wait for someone to evaluate.

    Not true....Ebay doesn't shut these guys down,

    This site DOES>>>>>>>>>>>(first, it's posted on this site, then the contact notifies Ebay, then Ebay shuts the auction down, BUT the "Report Item' directly on the bay auction page, does nothing.)

    https://www.coincommunity.com/forum/forum.asp?FORUM_ID=160

    "Gold is money, and nothing else" (JP Morgan, 1912)

    "“Those who sacrifice liberty for security/safety deserve neither.“(Benjamin Franklin)

    "I only golf on days that end in 'Y'" (DE59)
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    BuffaloIronTailBuffaloIronTail Posts: 7,742 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Good one, Huh? An old army vet posts this coin around Veterans Day.

    Very suspicious...........

    Pete

    "I tell them there's no problems.....only solutions" - John Lennon
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    BillJonesBillJones Posts: 35,786 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @ironmanl63 said:
    I sent this guy a question and this is how he responded.


    eBay
    New message from: timboshenko (540Purple Star)
    This counterfeit cost me around $4300 in Long Beach about 12 years ago. Now I am trying to get enough to pay my wife’s latest hospital bills. So I guess you should probably do what is important to you. Turn in an old army veteran and make sure I have nothing to help my wife.
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    That is a totally bogus sob story. The Chinese or whoever were not making those fake slabs 12 years ago, which would have been 2005.

    Retired dealer and avid collector of U.S. type coins, 19th century presidential campaign medalets and selected medals. In recent years I have been working on a set of British coins - at least one coin from each king or queen who issued pieces that are collectible. I am also collecting at least one coin for each Roman emperor from Julius Caesar to ... ?
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    WmwoodWmwood Posts: 102 ✭✭

    @jmski52 said:
    The fonts are different on the labels, although I don't know if PCGS has kept them consistent over time.

    If you are interested here a link to the PCGS "Online" Museum of Coin Holders. Most of the PCGS labels and holders from 1986 to present.

    https://www.pcgs.com/holders

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    coinpro76coinpro76 Posts: 366 ✭✭✭

    Wow how do you use your sick wife and "veteran" status to justify ripping someone off selling bogus goods?

    Sounds like the only sick one here is the ebayer himself.

    all around collector of many fine things

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    jmlanzafjmlanzaf Posts: 41,294 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @DoubleEagle59 said:

    @jmlanzaf said:

    @DoubleEagle59 said:

    @AUandAG said:

    @Wmwood said:
    What do I do to help?

    Some people believe that slabbed coins are not faked.

    I agree with Insider2 that slab itself looks spot on, I think in hand the label would give it away because they used an inkjet printer, the printing isn't as sharp as a real PCGS label, and the label is a tad low and narrow.

    Click on "report" about 1/2 down on the right side of the page and then click on Listing, then fraudulent, etc.

    bob

    That use to work, but doesn't anymore.

    Ebay does nothing when you 'report' it.

    Not true, they shut them down all the time. It's not instantaneous, you need to wait for someone to evaluate.

    Not true....Ebay doesn't shut these guys down,

    This site DOES>>>>>>>>>>>(first, it's posted on this site, then the contact notifies Ebay, then Ebay shuts the auction down, BUT the "Report Item' directly on the bay auction page, does nothing.)

    https://www.coincommunity.com/forum/forum.asp?FORUM_ID=160

    Not true. I've had auctions shut down by eBay for a CCA hinder being visible in the photo. Someone reported that and eBay followed up

    All comments reflect the opinion of the author, even when irrefutably accurate.

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    ArizonaRareCoinsArizonaRareCoins Posts: 679 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November 7, 2017 5:13PM

    @jmlanzaf said:
    It is the right certification number, interestingly enough. You'd think they could come up with a better coin for the perfect holder.

    The barcode translates to 7190.08820/28837518

    = 1889-cc Morgan Dollar AU details filed rims

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    jmski52jmski52 Posts: 23,959 ✭✭✭✭✭

    That is a totally bogus sob story. The Chinese or whoever were not making those fake slabs 12 years ago, which would have been 2005.

    When you think about it, who goes to Long Beach? Something tells me that he's not a newb, nor was he in 2005 either.

    Q: Are You Printing Money? Bernanke: Not Literally

    I knew it would happen.
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    rickoricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭

    No doubt about the coin..... I would not have seen the slab as fake... Cheers, RickO

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    Alltheabove76Alltheabove76 Posts: 1,536 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November 8, 2017 11:12AM

    @ironmanl63 said:
    I will not post my response to him here.

    His poor wife! :(:D

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    dpooledpoole Posts: 5,940 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    giorgio11giorgio11 Posts: 4,205 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @ArizonaRareCoins said:

    @jmlanzaf said:
    It is the right certification number, interestingly enough. You'd think they could come up with a better coin for the perfect holder.

    The barcode translates to 7190.08820/28837518

    = 1889-cc Morgan Dollar AU details filed rims

    How do you read the barcode @ArizonaRareCoins? What program do you use? That is an important thing to know.

    Kind regards,

    George

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    TwoSides2aCoinTwoSides2aCoin Posts: 45,026 ✭✭✭✭✭

    The great caveat ! By now, it's "Shopper Beware".

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    1630Boston1630Boston Posts: 14,156 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Here is a link to the PCGS barcode layout :smile:

    https://www.pcgs.com/barcode

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    StorkStork Posts: 5,208 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Sadly, anytime an ebay seller emphasizes they are a veteran (either disabled or with a disabled/ill spouse) and/or 'are a Christian seller' it seems they are anything but.

    The response makes it sound like he knew it was a fake and YOU are a bad guy for turning him in...so some other collector can own a fake???? What a despicable piece of trash.


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    messydeskmessydesk Posts: 20,741 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @ironmanl63 said:
    I sent this guy a question and this is how he responded.


    eBay
    New message from: timboshenko (540Purple Star)
    This counterfeit cost me around $4300 in Long Beach about 12 years ago. Now I am trying to get enough to pay my wife’s latest hospital bills. So I guess you should probably do what is important to you. Turn in an old army veteran and make sure I have nothing to help my wife.

    Yeah, right. The only connection between that coin and Long Beach is its port of entry into the US.

    At least the auction has been yoinked.

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    tennbjjtennbjj Posts: 97 ✭✭✭

    @ironmanl63 said:
    I sent this guy a question and this is how he responded.


    eBay
    New message from: timboshenko (540Purple Star)
    This counterfeit cost me around $4300 in Long Beach about 12 years ago. Now I am trying to get enough to pay my wife’s latest hospital bills. So I guess you should probably do what is important to you. Turn in an old army veteran and make sure I have nothing to help my wife.
    Reply

    Holy crap the hubris on this guy.

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    jmlanzafjmlanzaf Posts: 41,294 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @1630Boston said:
    Here is a link to the PCGS barcode layout :smile:

    https://www.pcgs.com/barcode

    Can you trust the barcode in reading an online photo? The line thickness/spacing could be altered by focus, angle etc., couldn't it? Not that I doubt the read for this coin. Maybe barcode matching is the next step up.

    All comments reflect the opinion of the author, even when irrefutably accurate.

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    JcldJcld Posts: 449 ✭✭✭

    What are the characteristics that point this out as such an obvious fake?

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    LindeDadLindeDad Posts: 18,766 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November 8, 2017 12:12PM

    Compare the dates in the two images. And there are other tells a Morgan collector can see.
    This is why I quit collecting these things.

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    BillJonesBillJones Posts: 35,786 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Jcld said:
    What are the characteristics that point this out as such an obvious fake?

    The strike is very flat with much of the design detail missing. Certain Morgan Dollar dates come weakly struck, but never this bad. At the same time the fields are bright with luster indicating Mint State. Therefore the weakness cannot be from circulation. This is a "Mint Stare counterfeit" and a very badly made counterfeit that can be identified without knowing the characteristics of an 1893-CC dollar.

    Retired dealer and avid collector of U.S. type coins, 19th century presidential campaign medalets and selected medals. In recent years I have been working on a set of British coins - at least one coin from each king or queen who issued pieces that are collectible. I am also collecting at least one coin for each Roman emperor from Julius Caesar to ... ?
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    TwoSides2aCoinTwoSides2aCoin Posts: 45,026 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Happy Veteran’s Day a few days early. (fellow vets)
    His story is the reason we have war stories. I pray his wife is okay, though.
    In the interim, here is an old song by War.
    I think it describes Ebay.
    https://youtu.be/2qhjnNTNomM

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    ArizonaRareCoinsArizonaRareCoins Posts: 679 ✭✭✭✭

    @jmlanzaf said:

    @1630Boston said:
    Here is a link to the PCGS barcode layout :smile:

    https://www.pcgs.com/barcode

    Can you trust the barcode in reading an online photo? The line thickness/spacing could be altered by focus, angle etc., couldn't it? Not that I doubt the read for this coin. Maybe barcode matching is the next step up.

    Barcode comes out the same if you read it manually:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interleaved_2_of_5

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