Will it grade? My latest gold toner - Graded, TrueView now posted
jwitten
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I've been looking for a toned 1927 $2 1/2 for a long time, as it is one of the few dates in my set I didn't have a toned example yet. I finally found one!! I plan to send it to PCGS soon for grading and TrueViews. Do you think it will straight grade? If so, what grade?
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It is hard to know what is going on under the toning. The amount of luster that is left has a lot to do with the grade.
Frankly I would reject this coin out of hand. Gold should look like gold, especially when you are thinking of buying something that is dated well out of the 19th century. Gold is not silver. It is a relatively inert metal that does not tone naturally. It's the copper in it that tones, and most of the nice coppery gold that I see is in the Liberty Head series.
If there is luster peaking out from the toning, and the toning is not from a bottle, I'd say AU-55 max. Much prettier coins can be found with not a lot of effort for this date. Sorry, but I am not a fan of coins that look like this piece.
Luster is decent, looks 62ish from scuff marks...as far as grading...75/25 shot...75% on the yes side...just my opinion.
I though AU and yes it should grade.
bob
Although I think this piece may well grade out, I agree with Bill and I don't really care for it.
It's hard not to think iodine when you see weird colors on gold.
But hey, it's your coin, doesn't matter if I like it.
Love the first pic, looks like the Chief is facing a nice sun rise.
Guessing (pics make it tough) MS-60 if fields are not as dark as pics indicate.
Keep us updated.
I have yet to see a gold piece that is known and proven to be artificially toned. I sure wish one of yall would show me one, since you know what they look like. Toned pieces are very hard to locate, but they are out there. I happen to like them.
Here's one toned with iodine, and PCGS made good on the piece because it was not original. These traps are out there, and collectors need to deveolop an ability to spot them.
How do you know it was toned with iodine?
When you looked at it with a 10X glass you could see that there were flakes of "stuff" above the surface that had no business being there. I screwed up on this piece, I admit it, but so did the very well-known dealer who sold it to me who shall remain nameless. Once I realized what was going on, I ran it by a couple of gold specialist dealers I respect, and they confirmed my suspicions.
I submitted to PCGS for a grade review. PCGS agreed with me and made good on the piece. The PCGS guarantee worked and PCGS stood by the coin.
Well, hopefully mine is natural. Out of 15 coins in the series, I only need the 1927 and 2 other dates to complete my toned and straight graded set.
Wow! A beautiful set.
Borderline AU; the beauty of gold is the great gleam, luster, and golden hue like the sun. At one point I thought gold toning like that was neat or unique, so I can understand the attraction to it.
Here's a Charlotte that was chemically toned.
Splotchy color, leaves a halo around some devices, runs up and over others.
Gold coins are my favorite.... That being said, tarnish does not belong on gold - IMO - even the well known copper spots bother me....That type of tarnish is often 'deposition' tarnish from environmental surroundings. However, your collection, your preferences. Cheers, RickO
Why ask? My experience has been that the ONLY way to know is to "submit" the coin.
I bought a coin from the image.
Posted it here to great praise of "originality."
Had it "submitted" by a dealer of respect and time in the business who ALSO was impressed with how it looked like they are supposed to and....
.....no pass.
"Submit or forget" should be the mantra.
the bright spot in the center of the reverse looks suspect to me.
It wouldn't hurt to soak it acetone for several days. That ensures, at least, that if there are any residues or light PVC coating the surfaces, that these residues would not interfere. Then you end up spending twice as much, getting it right. ( kind of like "doctoring", in my opinion, but it's the facts as I see them) My biggest submission errors are omitting that step. Seriously. If there is a HINT of anything covering the original skin, the TPGs (good eyes see it) and (they) care about coins even more than I do, sometimes. It's a serious business.
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Interesting toning, esp for gold. But I like it, and I think it may grade. Cool little Indian.
Dave
That is the only untoned part. Is that what makes you suspicious?
Sent it in with a few palladiums.. express, so the result popped today. Any more guesses? I will post the trueview when it pops if that helps you make a final guess.
Good luck! Great looking set!!
m
Fellas, leave the tight pants to the ladies. If I can count the coins in your pockets you better use them to call a tailor. Stay thirsty my friends......
That looks like the C half eagle I used to own. Compare the marks, same coin. The leading expert in US gold coins told me the toning occured in a leather pouch over a long period of time, not chemicals.
Best, SH
Anymore guesses on if it graded or how it did after seeing the trueview?
63 if graded.
The TrueView is really nice...I would give it a 58/62...really digging the tone!
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Graded 62 by PCGS for the lazy people. Congrats on having it straight grade.
As much as I want to like the 1927, I just can't. Sure gold tones over long periods of time, or when its alloys react with the environment. But when it tones, at least in my observations, it mellows. Slowly, subtly. Or the alloys react in small areas. It doesn't just turn dark brown across all surfaces within 90 years.
I appreciate that our hosts feel it is within their parameters for a straight grade. And more power to those who like this look. Maybe if I saw it in hand it would speak to me differently.
--Severian the Lame
Spoiler alert, lol. Yup, graded MS62! I don't understand how people can like other toned coins but not gold ones. To me, it is GORGEOUS. Plus, when you are looking through pcgs coin facts, every coin looks the same BUT this one. I love finding the unique ones.
When I first started collecting in 1971, I knew a crop duster and every coin in his pockets toned.
Maybe he took this one on a flight?
I love the look of this coin and glad that it straight graded. I hate getting nice toned coins back with the dreaded "QC" no grade!
Nice coin and of course it straight graded. The color looks like most gold.toners I've seen just a bit more extreme.
Congratulations! A beautiful addition to a beautiful set.
Very nice piece👌
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I'm somewhat the opposite, toned silver makes me absolutely sick to my stomach but toned gold is almost acceptable. Very nice set you have going there. Congrats!
I also remember you posting a $10 toned Indian awhile back, it was the best I've ever seen.
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Mark Feld* of Heritage Auctions*Unless otherwise noted, my posts here represent my personal opinions.
OLD THREAD ALERT
I'm a strong believer in collecting whatever makes you happy. Each of us has our likes and dislikes but I'm glad that the vast majority of those who collect early silver coins do not share your view that "toned silver makes me sick to my stomach but toned gold is almost acceptable."
I love coins with natural surfaces which can be toned or white. The fact is that most silver bust and seated coins toned because they were exposed to our atmosphere. Even today many attempts to reverse this natural process destroy the natural surfaces on countless silver coins. There are exceptions when silver coins can be improved by proper dipping, please consult an expert before attempting to conserve early silver coins.