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    TwoSides2aCoinTwoSides2aCoin Posts: 45,212 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited September 21, 2017 10:30AM

    MS 65 + please send $50 PayPow Gift, for this assessment.

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    JcldJcld Posts: 449 ✭✭✭

    MS65 RD

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    BillJonesBillJones Posts: 35,926 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I would say MS-64, Red.

    The coin is pristine with respect to preservation, but it may have been net graded because of the bubbles in the copper coating. I've seen examples of this coin where the bubbles broke open, exposing the zinc below. I would avoid such coins because the zinc is not stable and can corrode.

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    TreashuntTreashunt Posts: 6,748 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Those plating bubbles bother me, a lot.

    SO, I'll go 63RD

    Frank

    BHNC #203

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    TwoSides2aCoinTwoSides2aCoin Posts: 45,212 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I agree Bill. These errors are notorious for the bubbling. However , it's tough finding specimens that don't have that, or die polish lines that appear to be scratches.

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    BillJonesBillJones Posts: 35,926 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @TwoSides2aCoin said:
    I agree Bill. These errors are notorious for the bubbling. However , it's tough finding specimens that don't have that, or die polish lines that appear to be scratches.

    I had one in my collection for a while that had no bubbles. I think it was an NGC MS-66, Red. I had it graded. I sold it when I was dealer.

    I also saw a raw one which had a lot of the zinc showing from a big broken bubble. I would not have wanted anything to do with that piece. You could put it an envelope, leave it for five years, and come back to find an envelope full of the dust or something close to it.

    People don't realize it, but the modern cent is pretty fragile. If you lose one on the ground it will have dissolved in a year's time

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    WinLoseWinWinLoseWin Posts: 1,910 ✭✭✭✭✭

    The pictures give me the impression that the surfaces could, mark-wise, be in the MS-67 range. But I don't know how the TPG factors in the plating bubbles if at all.

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    DCWDCW Posts: 7,872 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Bubbles.
    Man, they kill cents from the 1983-85 years!
    I was fortunate to find one of these babies roll searching a couple of years ago, and it graded 64rd and had no bubbles. Once in a lifetime find for me!
    Yours looks 64, 65, but those bubbles are a distraction for sure.

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    "Coin collecting for outcasts..."

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    JimnightJimnight Posts: 10,846 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited October 2, 2017 3:51PM

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    CoinCrazyPACoinCrazyPA Posts: 2,899 ✭✭✭✭

    Nice coin, those bubbles alway kept me away from early 80's cents.

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    JimnightJimnight Posts: 10,846 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited October 2, 2017 3:50PM

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    JimnightJimnight Posts: 10,846 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    mannie graymannie gray Posts: 7,259 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I would have guessed 66+.
    Nice coin.

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    DCWDCW Posts: 7,872 ✭✭✭✭✭

    This is the problem with trying to grade Lincoln cents (or any small coin) in photos.
    When you blow up a grape to the size of a plum, it of course looks differently. Variety photos are sometimes extremely enlarged, and we pick up on every tick like some huge scar.
    Nice coin, but the bubbles would still concern me on a high value coin.

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    rickoricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Nice coin... I had it pegged for 65+.... the bubbles are a distraction.... Cheers, RickO

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    TreashuntTreashunt Posts: 6,748 ✭✭✭✭✭

    congrats!

    wow!

    Frank

    BHNC #203

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    JimnightJimnight Posts: 10,846 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited October 2, 2017 3:49PM

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    TJM965TJM965 Posts: 446 ✭✭✭

    One of my favorite coins. The bubbles and polishing lines give the coin character like no other.

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    JimnightJimnight Posts: 10,846 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited October 2, 2017 3:49PM

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    TPRCTPRC Posts: 3,819 ✭✭✭✭✭

    My first impression was 68R

    Tom

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    DCWDCW Posts: 7,872 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @TJM965 said:
    One of my favorite coins. The bubbles and polishing lines give the coin character like no other.

    Polishing lines will be the same on every coin produced from this die, but the "bubbles" are plating blisters on the planchets themselves. I'm not sure if I agree that they give the coin "character," as most collectors view them as the kiss of death on their coins.

    By the way, the signature die marking for this variety is the obverse polishing lines in the northwest quadrant behind Lincoln's head.
    They are on every specimen I have seen

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    JimnightJimnight Posts: 10,846 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited October 2, 2017 3:49PM

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    JimnightJimnight Posts: 10,846 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    LeeBoneLeeBone Posts: 4,883 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Just saw this but would`ve took a WAG at 67.
    Can't believe I would have actually got it right for a change :D

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    CoinCrazyPACoinCrazyPA Posts: 2,899 ✭✭✭✭

    What I understood about the bubbles is that its trapped gas. When they pop it makes for a great coin pretty much worthless, or worth a lot less.

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    BuffaloIronTailBuffaloIronTail Posts: 7,756 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Nice clean overall color, 67 is a bit much in my book..............it is what it is. I like it.

    Pete

    "I tell them there's no problems.....only solutions" - John Lennon
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    LeeBoneLeeBone Posts: 4,883 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Regardless of the bubbles in the surface on the coin, I really love this Doubled Date. Very pronounced and easy to see to the naked eye without any extra magnification needed. My kinda DD :)

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