1921 P Mercury Dime Junk Silver Find - Grade in!!

Bigbuck1975 · August 31, 2017 4:15PM

Thoughts on this?
Bought 4 rolls of Mercury Dimes and this was one of them.

KollectorKing · August 31, 2017 4:18PM

how coool; congrats

you suck!!

Bigbuck1975 · August 31, 2017 4:21PM

Worth grading?

jtlee321 · August 31, 2017 4:23PM

Wow!! That looks like it has a good shot at XF-45 to AU-50. You certainly suck!! Congratulations.

jtlee321 · August 31, 2017 4:25PM

@Bigbuck1975 said:
Worth grading?

Absolutely!!

KollectorKing · August 31, 2017 4:30PM

it's a beauty!

@Bigbuck1975 said:
Thoughts on this?
Bought 4 rolls of Mercury Dimes and this was one of them.

Jinx86 · August 31, 2017 4:31PM

@jtlee321 said:

@Bigbuck1975 said:
Worth grading?

Absolutely!!

100% agree.

Id call it AU55/58

No Headlights · August 31, 2017 4:32PM

Go buy 4 more rolls. Congrats

Bigbuck1975 · August 31, 2017 4:33PM

Sad part was a dealer had already bought 10 from him and was paying melt. Wonder why??

Fairlaneman · August 31, 2017 4:34PM

Questionable in my opinion. Reverse gives me this opinion. If its good, what a score.

Ken

Soldi · August 31, 2017 4:36PM

nice coin

KollectorKing · August 31, 2017 4:44PM

AU58 W/CAC for comparison:

TomB · August 31, 2017 4:47PM

Perhaps it is real, but it just doesn't "feel" right to me.

Soldi · August 31, 2017 4:55PM

It is a "dug coin" from what I can see and that patina is typical of ones that I have found via metal detecting. That clay soil, minerals, rain, moisture etc.

RogerB · August 31, 2017 4:57PM

Very nice EF - especially from a junk silver pile!

morgandollar1878 · August 31, 2017 5:08PM

That is a heck of a find. Send it in for sure, looks like a solid XF45 maybe AU50 as long as it is not cleaned. That part is difficult to determine from the pics.

KollectorKing · August 31, 2017 6:35PM

@morgandollar1878 said:
That is a heck of a find. Send it in for sure, looks like a solid XF45 maybe AU50 as long as it is not cleaned. That part is difficult to determine from the pics.

even in a gennie holder, it's still a good score.

oldlinecoins · August 31, 2017 8:45PM

the rims seem really strange, maybe it's just the photos

koynekwest · August 31, 2017 8:52PM

In a junk box? Ya gotta be kiddin'! What a find-congrats! Looks to be at least a 50 to me.

morgandollar1878 · August 31, 2017 8:57PM

@oldlinecoins said:
the rims seem really strange, maybe it's just the photos

Nothing unusual, was just checking out a 1916 Merc dime and putting it in a new 2x2 with the same rim weakness in almost exactly the same place. Planchet was likely just a hair thinner in that spot.

ShadyDave · August 31, 2017 9:10PM

Looks a bit weird to me, but for $32 its worth the grading...or send it in economy for $20 and play stupid and see what happens...

mannie gray · August 31, 2017 9:26PM

@TomB said:
Perhaps it is real, but it just doesn't "feel" right to me.

I had the exact thoughts after looking at the coin for a few seconds.
For the OP's sake, I hope I'm wrong.

Bigbuck1975 · August 31, 2017 9:29PM

No worries either way gents, couldn't go wrong for $1.20

mannie gray · August 31, 2017 9:31PM

I agree and wish you luck with it.

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ricko · September 1, 2017 5:39AM

XF-AU.... I would give it an acetone soak before submitting... clean the gunk off... Cheers, RickO

PocketArt · September 1, 2017 5:49AM

Man, you did very well! Just to find '20-'29 dated in junk silver rolls that look that nice is tough- let alone a '21! Congrats!

DIMEMAN · September 2, 2017 7:19AM

@jtlee321 said:
Wow!! That looks like it has a good shot at XF-45 to AU-50. You certainly suck!! Congratulations.

I agree. I was expecting to see a AG-VG, which would not we worth grading, but this coin is nice!

Fairlaneman · September 6, 2017 6:37AM

@Bigbuck1975 said:
Thoughts on this?
Bought 4 rolls of Mercury Dimes and this was one of them.

A 21P I just received that is in a PCGS holder as cleaned to compare against.

Ken

logger7 · September 6, 2017 6:42AM

I'd send it in, could go AU as others have pointed out. I will send in any coin with good grading potential, as raw coins are hard to market.

Bigbuck1975 · September 6, 2017 6:51AM

@Fairlaneman said:

@Bigbuck1975 said:
Thoughts on this?
Bought 4 rolls of Mercury Dimes and this was one of them.

A 21P I just received that is in a PCGS holder as cleaned to compare against.

Ken

Looks like they bagged it for the directional hairlines on the cheek?

tincup · September 6, 2017 7:06AM

I'm with the group that says it just doesn't feel right.

Reverse lettering seems distorted, too thin. Also, details on the lower three branches/leaves on the right side of the bundle... do not match very well with the example that Fairlaneman posted (thanks Fairlaneman). Some branches/leaves on left side... same situation. Overall, way too much detail and strong strike than I am used to seeing with a 21.

On obverse, look at the cap details on top of head. and Hair details on top of forehead. Just do not match with Fairlaneman example that I can see.

My take... a fake.... but very deceptive as overall appearance seems good. I would probably send in... if ok, you have a score. If not, IMO still worth it as a extremely neat example of a fake. All of this is JMO and I have been wrong enough times that I no longer try to keep score!

TwoSides2aCoin · September 6, 2017 9:29AM

@Bigbuck1975 said:
Sad part was a dealer had already bought 10 from him and was paying melt. Wonder why??

Why is that sad ? It's only worth melt, until somebody cherrypicks and finds greater value than melt.
Recently bought an ounce of gold for spot, and it sold for $70 less than spot, in the open auction market. It's neither sad or happy. It is the market... and it has its nuances. Let's just face that there are fewer buyers and even fewer collectors.

Bigbuck1975 · September 6, 2017 11:25AM

@TwoSides2aCoin said:

@Bigbuck1975 said:
Sad part was a dealer had already bought 10 from him and was paying melt. Wonder why??

Why is that sad ? It's only worth melt, until somebody cherrypicks and finds greater value than melt.
Recently bought an ounce of gold for spot, and it sold for $70 less than spot, in the open auction market. It's neither sad or happy. It is the market... and it has its nuances. Let's just face that there are fewer buyers and even fewer collectors.

Sad for me as I suspect there were a few more possibilities in the stuff he sold. This dealer is typically buying at 50% of melt for reference.

ms70 · September 6, 2017 11:38AM

I would. It deserves to be preserved. I see them as pieces of history.

TwoSides2aCoin · September 6, 2017 11:41AM

Oh.... 50% of melt. The new buy price

Insider2 · September 6, 2017 11:52AM

Good eyes and attention to detail! @oldlinecoins said: "The rims seem really strange, maybe it's just the photos."

The photos are great. What you are seeing is typical on 100% ABSOLUTELY GENUINE 1921 dimes. There is weakness on the edge that causes this "look." The luster is very good (check out the dull gray buffed coin posted below it). The OP's coin may have some hairlines from tumbling around in "junk silver" that won't hurt it.

IMHO, if you did not call the OP's coin genuine and AU-55 or above due to the amount of details and small amount of rub, you may not be ready for "The Show."

Get that puppy to PCGS!

DIMEMAN · September 6, 2017 3:11PM

@Soldi said:
It is a "dug coin" from what I can see and that patina is typical of ones that I have found via metal detecting. That clay soil, minerals, rain, moisture etc.

After taking a second look l tend to agree with this. It could explain the off look of the lettering on the reverse. Has the coin been sent in?

Bigbuck1975 · September 6, 2017 3:13PM

@DIMEMAN said:

@Soldi said:
It is a "dug coin" from what I can see and that patina is typical of ones that I have found via metal detecting. That clay soil, minerals, rain, moisture etc.

After taking a second look l tend to agree with this. It could explain the off look of the lettering on the reverse. Has the coin been sent in?

It's in now

DIMEMAN · September 6, 2017 3:24PM

@Bigbuck1975 said:

@DIMEMAN said:

@Soldi said:
It is a "dug coin" from what I can see and that patina is typical of ones that I have found via metal detecting. That clay soil, minerals, rain, moisture etc.

After taking a second look l tend to agree with this. It could explain the off look of the lettering on the reverse. Has the coin been sent in?

It's in now

Good....it will be good to see what our host say.

Soldi · September 6, 2017 3:39PM

I cannot understand that one LOL I received the coin is obviously packed around the devices with soil.
Although,at times, I do look kinda goofy metal detecting. Doesn't phase me.

Soldi · September 6, 2017 7:00PM

Bet it comes back environmental damage at EF

mr1931S · September 6, 2017 7:42PM

i'm in the tincup camp. Hope i'm wrong but the piece looks off to me. If real,great find.

Rollerman · September 7, 2017 11:28AM

Your coin is way better than my VF for that grade. Let us know how things turn out should you send it in for grading. I do think you should submit it even if it should come out in a genuine holder - still a coin many would like to have. Looks like a high XF or low AU to me.

dcarr · September 7, 2017 11:35AM

@DIMEMAN said:

@Soldi said:
It is a "dug coin" from what I can see and that patina is typical of ones that I have found via metal detecting. That clay soil, minerals, rain, moisture etc.

After taking a second look l tend to agree with this. It could explain the off look of the lettering on the reverse. Has the coin been sent in?

I disagree. I've "dug" a few silver dimes. This one does not look like that to me. That toning pattern looks like a coin that has been sitting in a cardboard box in a dresser drawer for a long time.

The only issue I see is that the reverse looks like it may have been wiped.
Otherwise, genuine, AU-53.

Bigbuck1975 · September 12, 2017 9:58AM

Grade in - ATS said UNC details improperly cleaned

Soldi · September 12, 2017 9:59AM

Yes, improperly cleaned with the soil that was on it and a thumb and fore finger of the finder. Congrats
nice coin regardless.

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johnny9434 · September 12, 2017 10:42AM

her mouth and rims of the coin look funky to me for some reason. maybe its just the way im looking at it. any opinions?

TomB · September 12, 2017 11:08AM

Good job and I am glad it worked out for you.

Soldi · September 12, 2017 11:11AM

@johnny9434 said:
her mouth and rims of the coin look funky to me for some reason. maybe its just the way im looking at it. any opinions?

Wear from lying in the ground about 4 to 6 inches down for 80 years. Go drop a coin on the lawn. Now, see how long it "doesnt' take to descend 1/2 to 2 inches, not long. The rain the snow the soil has this effect. I have found countless coins including Morgan dollars (14) and I tell you the elements have an effect on the silver. Another thing I noticed is tree roots tend to surround silver as opposed to other metals. It's "ag" against all other elements including the crap that falls from the sky, contained within the rain and the soil wash.

Not to mention the fact that strikes are different, dies are different and who knows what the coin looks like when minted.

Nice coin great find Congrats..................

1921 P Mercury Dime Junk Silver Find - Grade in!!

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