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Will Acetone remove this crud from a 1964 Proof Kennedy Accented Hair or am i stuck with it?

newcollectnewcollect Posts: 205 ✭✭✭
edited August 16, 2017 6:08PM in U.S. Coin Forum

Looks like a bird pooped on it!!

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    CommemKingCommemKing Posts: 2,202 ✭✭✭✭✭

    looks like bad milk spots. Cannot be removed without completely damaging the coin. I could be wrong.

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    Wabbit2313Wabbit2313 Posts: 7,268 ✭✭✭✭✭

    They don't look like milk spots to me, but with the quality of that image, I will also go with bird poop.

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    AUandAGAUandAG Posts: 25,036 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Why ask, just try it.

    bob ;)

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    morgandollar1878morgandollar1878 Posts: 4,006 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Looks like milk spots and acetone will not remove them, or much anything else without damaging the coin.

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    keyman64keyman64 Posts: 15,650 ✭✭✭✭✭

    No but no hurt in trying.

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    19Lyds19Lyds Posts: 26,503 ✭✭✭✭
    edited August 17, 2017 1:15AM

    @CommemKing said:
    looks like bad milk spots. Cannot be removed without completely damaging the coin. I could be wrong.

    You are NOT wrong. Those are impossible to remove without extremely abrasive polishing. Dip will not even put a dent in that damage.

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    mt_mslamt_msla Posts: 815 ✭✭✭✭

    I've seen those while the proof Kennedy is still in the OGP proof set plastic. I avoid those sets, and those Kennedy's.

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    newcollectnewcollect Posts: 205 ✭✭✭

    Ya this is fresh out of the cellophane, a little better photo you can see no milk spots it looks to be some kind of crusty thick clay.

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    rickoricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Go ahead with the acetone.... if it is organic, it will remove it. You can also 'assist' the removal with a rose thorn.... neither will harm the coin. You may have to soak it for a while - be sure to cover the container or the acetone will quickly evaporate. Let us know how it goes.... Cheers, RickO

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    newcollectnewcollect Posts: 205 ✭✭✭

    @ricko said:
    Go ahead with the acetone.... if it is organic, it will remove it. You can also 'assist' the removal with a rose thorn.... neither will harm the coin. You may have to soak it for a while - be sure to cover the container or the acetone will quickly evaporate. Let us know how it goes.... Cheers, RickO

    Thanks that's the answer I was looking for I have never used it and need to get some.

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    rickoricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @newcollect ....Make sure you get the pure acetone - not diluted or nail polish remover.... From your second picture, I would say the contamination is not milk spots... not sure what it could be. There is a danger of surface damage, but that is no worse than what you have now... Good luck... Cheers, RickO

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    logger7logger7 Posts: 9,665 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Acetone is a great option, available at your local hardware store, also you could try this stuff: http://www.conservcoins.com/conserv-safe-coin-solvent-videos

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    BAJJERFANBAJJERFAN Posts: 31,626 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @AUandAG said:
    Why ask, just try it.

    bob ;)

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    BoosibriBoosibri Posts: 12,681 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Only one way to find out!

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    tommy44tommy44 Posts: 2,341 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @ricko said:
    Go ahead with the acetone.... if it is organic, it will remove it. You can also 'assist' the removal with a rose thorn.... neither will harm the coin. You may have to soak it for a while - be sure to cover the container or the acetone will quickly evaporate. Let us know how it goes.... Cheers, RickO

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    keetskeets Posts: 25,351 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I don't think those are milk-spots, but I would still try the acetone. whatever it is, if not milk-spots, let the coin soak in a covered container for awhile. it looks heavy.

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    Insider2Insider2 Posts: 14,452 ✭✭✭✭✭

    LOL. Way to go @keets. I just looked again. That deposit looks raised on the coin! Run the coin under tap water first!

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    lcoopielcoopie Posts: 8,875 ✭✭✭✭✭

    No

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    epcjimi1epcjimi1 Posts: 3,489 ✭✭✭
    edited August 17, 2017 11:10AM

    Hard to tell what's reflection. Narrow line up the butt of "N". 4/10 on pic quality. Everything has white reflectance stuff. Beak puking white stuff. 2/10 pic quality.

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    crazyhounddogcrazyhounddog Posts: 14,219 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Hit it with some MS-70. I hear it works wonders ;)

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    CameonutCameonut Posts: 7,432 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I've seen these before. Acetone won't touch them.

    I was told that the mint was using some sort of cream of tartar rinse that year. Not sure if that is true.

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    Insider2Insider2 Posts: 14,452 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @newcollect

    Have you tried water yet?

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    Insider2Insider2 Posts: 14,452 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @crazyhounddog said:
    Hit it with some MS-70. I hear it works wonders ;)

    Yes it does; however, on many of our modern proofs, MS-70 makes the spots worse! Go figure. Best to touch an edge of the spot with a pointed toothpick that is moistened in the chemical to see what happens.

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    Insider2Insider2 Posts: 14,452 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @crazyhounddog said:
    Hit it with some MS-70. I hear it works wonders ;)

    Yes it does; however, on many of our modern proofs, MS-70 makes the spots worse! Go figure. Best to touch an edge of the spot with a pointed toothpick that is moistened in the chemical to see what happens.

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    @logger7 said:
    Acetone is a great option, available at your local hardware store, also you could try this stuff: http://www.conservcoins.com/conserv-safe-coin-solvent-videos

    Walmart sells 100% acetone for a buck.

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    mt_mslamt_msla Posts: 815 ✭✭✭✭

    Am hoping for an (after) photo? See how things turned out?

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    rickoricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Any update on this issue?? Inquiring minds want to know..... Cheers, RickO

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    jmski52jmski52 Posts: 23,965 ✭✭✭✭✭

    If it's hardened clay, chemicals probably won't touch it but water might soften it enough to mechanically dab it off with a Q-tip. You might also try xylene, which has a different solubility for other materials where acetone might not work. Be careful to avoid breathing the acetone or xylene vapors and stay away from any ignition sources.

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    newcollectnewcollect Posts: 205 ✭✭✭

    I did not have any acetone around so i soaked it distilled water over night ( I know the pics stink ) You may be able to see the crud is not raised any more and now its just a big ugly surface
    spot and does not seem to have eaten into the metal. Will get some acetone over the weekend and post a pic with my toy USB camera when i'm done with it. Thanks for the interest !

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    Insider2Insider2 Posts: 14,452 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Try Goo Gone too.

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    rickoricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Where are the pictures?? All have disappeared...... Cheers, RickO

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    Rich49Rich49 Posts: 191 ✭✭✭

    Distilled water and water pic tool if you have one might work

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    newcollectnewcollect Posts: 205 ✭✭✭

    @ricko said:
    Where are the pictures?? All have disappeared...... Cheers, RickO

    First post was before last was after soaking can't tell that much difference but you can in hand, should have been more clear about that. Need to go to a photography class especially if if want to sell more coins.Laugh out Loud.

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    newcollectnewcollect Posts: 205 ✭✭✭

    Thanks everyone, acetone did not touch it still a nice coin for my collection. maybe it will tone over the years and it will cover up the spot by the time my grand kids get it. LOL

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    LindeDadLindeDad Posts: 18,766 ✭✭✭✭✭

    What is the melting point of coin silver?

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    Night HawkNight Hawk Posts: 46 ✭✭✭

    Per Kitco's website, coin silver melts at 879C. I would expect the coin to turn dark colors or possibly even black if heated to even a couple hundred Celsius in the presence of oxygen (think AT coins).

    As a side note, I had a Morgan dollar that had tape residue and while most of the coin had toned well over time, the area "protected" by the tape residue did not tone leaving the coin almost "white" where the residue was left.

    Still a nice coin with the white "crud".

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    Rich49Rich49 Posts: 191 ✭✭✭

    What is the best way to remove scotch tape on a Clad IKE that has been there for 40 years?

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    KkathylKkathyl Posts: 3,762 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Soak it in warm soap bath if that does not get it all follow up with Acetone. Then repeat and rinse off.

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    cameonut2011cameonut2011 Posts: 10,458 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @newcollect said:
    Thanks everyone, acetone did not touch it still a nice coin for my collection. maybe it will tone over the years and it will cover up the spot by the time my grand kids get it. LOL

    Dip it.

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    rickoricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I would not leave the coin in that condition.... it would bother me to the point of distraction.... Try MS70, Ezest or Coinsolv..... Cheers, RickO

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    Insider2Insider2 Posts: 14,452 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited August 26, 2017 8:04AM

    @Rich49 said: "What is the best way to remove scotch tape on a Clad IKE that has been there for 40 years?"

    Fast: Acetone
    Slow: Goo Gone

    Neither should hurt your coin. I lay the coin flat and drip goo on it and let it sit while I start working on other coins. The rims of the coin usually are enough to keep it on the coin. After a while, the tape will practically dissolve. Then I remove any haze or residue w/acetone. If you are in a hurry, Heat the coin first with a hot hair dryer to loosen the tape. Then use the Goo. The acetone can be put on with a Q-tip but NO RUBBING.

    @cameonut2011 said: "Dip it."

    This depends on a lot of things. In many cases, this is bad advice. That's why I think CN was making a
    funny joke! :smiley:

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    cameonut2011cameonut2011 Posts: 10,458 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Insider2 said:

    @cameonut2011 said: "Dip it."

    This depends on a lot of things. In many cases, this is bad advice. That's why I think CN was making a
    funny joke! :smiley:

    This coin is, unfortunately, not worth more than melt as is. Before I gave up completely, I would exhaust all reasonable remedies. I don't think it would be unreasonable in this case. I don't think you can make it much worse using normal coin conservation methods.

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    ldhairldhair Posts: 7,444 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I give up easy on coins like this. Water first and acetone is next. That's were I stop.

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    lcoopielcoopie Posts: 8,875 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I've dipped proof franklins with that same appearance and it did nothing.

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