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Let's start a Bolen thread (post your pics, tell your stories)

mercurydimeguymercurydimeguy Posts: 4,625 ✭✭✭✭
edited May 12, 2017 12:54PM in U.S. Coin Forum

OK, I've been bitten by the Bolen bug. I decided to take a stab at collecting these super interesting pieces, and happen to luck into finding a few real lookers and scarce pieces at the same time.

I would love to have a thread here for all things Bolen. Post your pics, your acquisition stories, stories of the piece itself, etc. Maybe this thread can become a resource for people interested in these issues.

Here's what arrived in the mail today. I saw this piece in person but didn't buy it cause it was more than I could spend at the time. But I stayed up a couple days thinking about it and wound up buying. It came from Neil himself (in a little blue envelope).

This is a JAB W-10, what is knows as Woodward Mule. It was struck by Joseph H. Merriam. No one is certain whether or not Woodward was responsible for commissioning these pieces, or acquiring the dies from A. Ramsey McCory and having Merriam strike some pieces, or what his real motives where, but since they were first featured in his catalogue and he "marketed" them, it is fairly certain these were struck in limited quantities to profiteer and offer numismatists of the age rare collectibles. Some called these Mules "abominations" since they married Bolen obverses with either new reverses or reverses that didn't belong in the original striking.

This piece is really rare -- 5 pieces total were struck. While I can't be certain, I would tell you upon inspecting this piece, I cannot think a finer piece could exist given the 5 total mintage the 150+ years that passed. I will send to PCGS for grading, and hopefully Phil can capture the PL nature of this coin.

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  • DIMEMANDIMEMAN Posts: 22,403 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @cardinal said:
    Here is one in Silver, on thick planchets, so one of the original 6 pieces struck by Bolen himself:

    That is really neat and probably above my means since there are only 6. :(

  • mercurydimeguymercurydimeguy Posts: 4,625 ✭✭✭✭

    @cardinal you have some amazing pieces, post the other Bolens you have into this thread when you have some time (and any stories about their acquisition or the pieces themselves).

    @DIMEMAN you'd be amazed at how affordable theses pieces are in context of their rarities (I'm afraid people will start collecting them and prices will go up exponentially).

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  • rickoricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Interesting pieces...and combined with the rarity make for a unique collecting niche. Cheers, RickO

  • cardinalcardinal Posts: 2,005 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @afford said:
    Cardinal,
    why did you say that yours was struck by Bolen himself? We know that many of his dies were sold to other dealers and struck by them but anything with "BOLEN" on it is assumed to be struck by him, yours has BOELN stamped on it and so do all the others shown in this thread? Just was wondering if you were trying to say anything else by your statement?
    Thanks

    Yes, it is known that many of the dies were sold to other dealers, who used them to strike their own copies -- and that includes John W. Kline who made his own "muling" of the Libertas Americana die with the George Washington die. The specific specimen pictured above is known to have been struck by J.A. Bolen, as it was struck on a particularly thick planchet, while all of the Kline "restrikes" were produced on much thinner planchets.

  • TomBTomB Posts: 22,083 ✭✭✭✭✭

    That is pretty dang cool, cardinal!

    Thomas Bush Numismatics & Numismatic Photography

    In honor of the memory of Cpl. Michael E. Thompson

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  • RogerBRogerB Posts: 8,852 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited May 14, 2017 10:02AM

    Nearly all die sinkers, engravers, sculptors, medalists and others in the field had uniface versions of their work attached to boards or panels. These were used to show the creator's work and stimulate interest by prospective clients. Most of the de Francisci medals in the SI (Luce collection in AAM at Gallery Place in Washington) are actually this type of promotional display item.

  • ZoinsZoins Posts: 34,401 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Beautiful showcase @cardinal!

    What metals are those made from and is that Bolen's own handwriting?

  • cardinalcardinal Posts: 2,005 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Zoins said:
    Beautiful showcase @cardinal!

    What metals are those made from and is that Bolen's own handwriting?

    They are all white metal impressions, and the title is in Bolen's own handwriting! BTW, the impression in the second to last row, at the right end of the row, is Bolen's portrait of his own daughter.

  • mercurydimeguymercurydimeguy Posts: 4,625 ✭✭✭✭

    @cardinal you don't need to have so many Libertas Americana in Cu. perhaps some of those can be transferred to a new curator? ;)

  • ZoinsZoins Posts: 34,401 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Great tokens and thanks for sharing @cardinal! Love the collection :)

  • mercurydimeguymercurydimeguy Posts: 4,625 ✭✭✭✭

    @cardinal I've also had my eye on your JAB-35 in silvered white metal for a while for obvious reasons (both Bolen and 1869) ;)

  • mercurydimeguymercurydimeguy Posts: 4,625 ✭✭✭✭
    edited June 2, 2017 8:59PM

    Here's Tin version of the Springfield Antiquarians. This one is currently slabbed in NGC 65 plastic...

  • mercurydimeguymercurydimeguy Posts: 4,625 ✭✭✭✭

    I just got done imaging the JAB-26, I spent a lot of time on it cause I wanted to get the image 99% of the in-hand look. This piece is just super! 14 pieces struck. Both dies were cut in 1867 and donated to Kline in 1872. From Kline they were passed to the Chapmans to the ANS (part of a group donated in 1948). A few restrikes exist but how the came to be and who struck them is a bit of a mystery. They are easy to ID , though, by a thinner planchet and what I would describe as less attention to detail in the striking.

    PS. We might just build a virtual set in this thread for future use, if people want to look up specific pieces. BO

  • CyndieChildressCyndieChildress Posts: 429 ✭✭✭

    @cardinal said:
    Here's a unique piece of Bolen's work, basically a marketing piece to show prospective customers how skillful he was in making custom engravings:

    WOW!

  • mercurydimeguymercurydimeguy Posts: 4,625 ✭✭✭✭
    edited August 14, 2017 5:57PM

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  • mercurydimeguymercurydimeguy Posts: 4,625 ✭✭✭✭
    edited June 22, 2017 4:37PM

    I finally got some grades to post, and today TrueView images came in on these two Bolen pieces that just graded.

    JAB-4 Brass Bolen Medal Arsenal Without Sun is graded PCGS MS63
    JAB-5 Brass Bolen Medal Young America is graded PCGS MS64

    I have 6 more Bolen pieces in grading...will share them once their grades post.

  • coinsarefuncoinsarefun Posts: 21,758 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November 14, 2017 11:33PM

    This is the one I won yesterday.
    Stacks description:
    LOT DESCRIPTION
    Fuld MA-760A-6a John Adams Bolen NGC MS65RB![]
    Massachusetts--Springfield. 1864 John Adams Bolen. Fuld-760A-6a, Musante JAB-9. Rarity-8. Copper. Plain Edge. 28 mm. MS-65 RB (NGC).
    Mostly brilliant surfaces have faint hints of pink and blue on both sides. The obverse is prooflike. Here we have Bolen by Bolen, a Gem example of his portrait of himself -- one of relatively few 19th century numismatists depicted on tokens (the most famous being Augustus B. Sage's Numismatic Gallery series of 1859 starting with Charles I. Bushnell).
    Provenance: From the Q. David Bowers Collection. Earlier ex Leslie Heilbronner; Steve Tanenbaum Collection.
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  • mercurydimeguymercurydimeguy Posts: 4,625 ✭✭✭✭

    I finally got the grade to post on this Springfield Antiquarians piece, but no TrueView yet (maybe soon?). It graded MS64BN, so I'm happy with that given that it's one of the scarcer pieces (a scant 14 pieces were struck in copper). Can't wait to see Phil's images of it (I shot this piece straight on, but it's fairly PL so I wonder if he'll lean more towards the PL look).

  • coinsarefuncoinsarefun Posts: 21,758 ✭✭✭✭✭
  • ZoinsZoins Posts: 34,401 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited July 1, 2017 11:01PM

    Beautiful tokens @mercurydimeguy!

    Are the politician tokens with the last name above the bust part of a series? Example tokens: JAB-26, JAB-27, JAB-29, and JAB-32.

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  • mercurydimeguymercurydimeguy Posts: 4,625 ✭✭✭✭

    Congrats to whoever won the Bolen's last night (Stacks) and today (Heritage). I tried bidding on the Pynchon piece last night, and stopped chasing it at $1.7k (was willing to pay up to $1.2k max). The other two pieces last night just didn't speak to me, and on top of that they weren't cheap (especially the Oreide one, which is not very scarce). However, the Bar Cent copy today on Heritage was special...but at $7k it was WAY above my pay grade. But to be fair, if I had $$ sloshing around, I would have acquired it since it looked pretty nice.

  • mercurydimeguymercurydimeguy Posts: 4,625 ✭✭✭✭

    This grade posted a few days ago...MS64RB.I still have like 5-7 pieces in grading since beginning of June, hoping to get their grades to post soon :)

  • mercurydimeguymercurydimeguy Posts: 4,625 ✭✭✭✭

    Some new coins/grades posted...

  • crazyhounddogcrazyhounddog Posts: 14,071 ✭✭✭✭✭

    A LOT of beautiful pieces here and great stories.

    The bitterness of "Poor Quality" is remembered long after the sweetness of low price is forgotten.
  • DCWDCW Posts: 7,625 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November 14, 2017 6:25PM

    Thought I'd revive this thread for some recent purchases:
    JAB-W-14 Copper -Merriam's Lincoln/Bolen's "He Lived, For His Country."


    JAB-W-16 Tin -Merriam's Parties Supplied at Short Notice/ Bolen's Soldiers' Fair

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  • JustacommemanJustacommeman Posts: 22,852 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November 14, 2017 6:31PM

    @mercurydimeguy said:
    @cardinal you don't need to have so many Libertas Americana in Cu. perhaps some of those can be transferred to a new curator? ;)

    Funny you should say that. I just bought this from the Stacks Cardinal Sale in PCGS 64 BN. Thrilled. Goes into the Libertas collection. Curating ain't cheap.

    mark

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  • BroadstruckBroadstruck Posts: 30,497 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Nice tokens everyone! :)

    Although the funny part is if this thread was started a decade or more ago no one would have posted much of anything.

    There was limited to absolutely no interest at all in Bolen strikes as you'd see his creations sitting stale on dealers web sites for 3-5 years at a time.

    To Err Is Human.... To Collect Err's Is Just Too Much Darn Tootin Fun!
  • DCWDCW Posts: 7,625 ✭✭✭✭✭

    And now it takes $5k to buy a nice baseball JAB-1!
    It's nice that Bolen's work has finally been given a place at the table.

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  • cardinalcardinal Posts: 2,005 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I picked up these two:

  • BroadstruckBroadstruck Posts: 30,497 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @DCW said:
    And now it takes $5k to buy a nice baseball JAB-1!
    It's nice that Bolen's work has finally been given a place at the table.

    I like those too but far better when they where $800-1200 then now.

    There's quite a bit of exonumia that's skyrocketed in the last decade beyond just Bolen.

    So collecting while there's limited competition sure has it's perks!

    To Err Is Human.... To Collect Err's Is Just Too Much Darn Tootin Fun!
  • DCWDCW Posts: 7,625 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November 15, 2017 2:31PM

    @cardinal I just love this medal.
    And its text rings as true today as it did when our great nation was born. Here is the entire paragraph of what Washington wrote to Hamilton, courtesy of our National Archives. Bolen had to paraphrase the text, as you can see, lest he make a medal 6inches in diameter.
    "I would fain hope that liberal allowances will be made for the political opinions of one another; and instead of those wounding suspicions, and irritating charges with which some of our Gazettes are so strongly impregnated, & cannot fail if persevered in, of pushing matters to extremity, & thereby tare the Machine asunder, that there might be mutual forbearances and temporising yieldings on all sides. Without these I do not see how the Reins of Government are to be managed, or how the Union of the States can be much longer preserved."
    -George Washington, August 26, 1792

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  • ZoinsZoins Posts: 34,401 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Just ran across this gold Bolen medal and thought it was worth bumping this thread. How many gold Bolen medals are known?

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