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1875 Twenty Cent Piece G-T-C : NGC -> PCGS ~ GRADE POSTED

1TwoBits1TwoBits Posts: 464 ✭✭✭✭
edited August 13, 2017 10:57PM in U.S. Coin Forum

I bought this attractive 1875 20c as a type coin in 1999 from Dart coins at a WESPNEX show before I started to specialize in other areas. When I tried to cross it from NGC a few years ago, it didn't cross at grade. I was surprised it didn't cross at the time and tried it again earlier this year. The pictures and toning may make things difficult, but feel free to guess what you think the NGC and then PCGS grade might be.

1TwoBits


Searching for bust quarters.....counterstamps, errors, and AU-MS varieties, please let me know if you can help.

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  • mannie graymannie gray Posts: 7,259 ✭✭✭✭✭

    N63/P62......(which is sorta the same thing?) :)

  • TheDukeKTheDukeK Posts: 359 ✭✭✭

    n55 then p58
    Just my opinion but no matter what the holder say's it's awesome!

  • BillJonesBillJones Posts: 34,840 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited August 13, 2017 5:26AM

    Regardless of whatever the top two grading services call it, my grade would be AU-55. The sharpness is great, but there is a fair amount of field friction.

    Has the toning stayed the same over the last 18 years? If so that's great. It means that the coin is stable.

    Retired dealer and avid collector of U.S. type coins, 19th century presidential campaign medalets and selected medals. In recent years I have been working on a set of British coins - at least one coin from each king or queen who issued pieces that are collectible. I am also collecting at least one coin for each Roman emperor from Julius Caesar to ... ?
  • tdiaz1979tdiaz1979 Posts: 75 ✭✭✭

    AU 55-58, I love the Coin!

  • roadrunnerroadrunner Posts: 28,313 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited August 13, 2017 6:44AM

    NGC62....now PCGS62....since the original post suggests it was sent in for cross earlier this year.

    Maybe it's different today, but crossing (NGC) "anything seated" in mint state was quite difficult in the 1996-2014 era...no matter how solid the coins were. Bill Jones is right that the coin has a lot of field friction. Much of the field luster looks at best weak, if not missing. If the coin is semi-PL that could be why. The cameo figures don't seem to show that friction. While a technical 58 to me.....I can see it graded as high as 63. A 1-2 pt color and cam bump in there.

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  • BillJonesBillJones Posts: 34,840 ✭✭✭✭✭

    If the coin is semi-PL that could be why.

    A fair number of 1875-P Twenty Cent Pieces are P-L more or less. Both of the pieces that I have or have had in my collection shows signs of P-L. surfaces. The reason was the mintage was low and the dies were not used for that many impressions. The Philadelphia Mint may also have made a large number dies with the idea that the first year's mintage was going to be higher than it was.

    Retired dealer and avid collector of U.S. type coins, 19th century presidential campaign medalets and selected medals. In recent years I have been working on a set of British coins - at least one coin from each king or queen who issued pieces that are collectible. I am also collecting at least one coin for each Roman emperor from Julius Caesar to ... ?
  • ShadyDaveShadyDave Posts: 2,217 ✭✭✭✭✭

    N 62

    P 58+

  • rickoricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭

    AU58.... Looks like a fair amount of field scratches under the tarnish... Cheers, RickO

  • 1TwoBits1TwoBits Posts: 464 ✭✭✭✭

    I'm with you on these coming nice due to the low mintage, and yes there is some friction in the fields.

    This one crossed at grade - MS62. Thanks for your comments.

    1TwoBits

    Searching for bust quarters.....counterstamps, errors, and AU-MS varieties, please let me know if you can help.
  • TradernikTradernik Posts: 111 ✭✭
    edited August 13, 2017 11:10PM

    From the PCGS website

    "The numerical grades MS-60 through MS-70, used to denote a business strike coin that never has been in circulation. A Mint State coin can range from one that is covered with marks (MS-60) to a flawless example (MS-70)."

    Okay, so they consider this coin 'uncirculated'. So the scratched up fields on this coin are all supposed to be... bag marks?

    Grading isn't easy to understand. I guess two months looking at coins isn't quite enough? : )

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