What do you call this MESS?......

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WorldSavingBlog
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There are letters missing, numbers missing, stuff looks doubled on the back. The monument left side looks doubled.







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  • DBSTrader2
    DBSTrader2 Posts: 3,551 ✭✭✭✭
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    I'm far from an expert, but a bad forgery? Obverse date numbers (what there are of them) in the date look too large & out-of-place, and lettering in "Liberty" look amateurish. Missing Lincoln statue in the Memorial, etc.....

  • JBK
    JBK Posts: 17,860 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited July 30, 2017 4:00AM
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    It is a mess, for sure. Good eye in catching it. I vote for major ejection doubling/shearing of letters, and maybe grease filled die.

    Or, maybe struck twice with slight rotation in between strikes? (That explanation might have some value).

  • Rosco
    Rosco Posts: 260 ✭✭✭✭
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    I have never seen an obverse such as this, interesting / drastic occurrence.
    Is it a 1991 - D ?
    I'm sure one of the many experts know exactly, as stated above.

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  • ricko
    ricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    I agree with @DBK...grease filled die, ejection doubling.... Cheers, RickO

  • Insider2
    Insider2 Posts: 14,452 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    I agree - grease filled die.

  • ECHOES
    ECHOES Posts: 2,974 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    @Insider2 said:
    I agree - grease filled die.

    +1

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  • JRocco
    JRocco Posts: 14,277 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    I concur.
    Grease filled die with ejection doubling.
    Die lines show that the dies were worked on to clean up previous messes.
    Interesting coin.

    Some coins are just plain "Interesting"
  • ms70
    ms70 Posts: 13,958 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited July 30, 2017 7:59AM
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    Is that 1997 I think? That is super interesting. I wonder if the PCGS label has enough space to describe it!

  • DoubleEagle59
    DoubleEagle59 Posts: 8,433 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    I call it "Ebay Gold!!"

    "Gold is money, and nothing else" (JP Morgan, 1912)

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  • Hydrant
    Hydrant Posts: 7,773 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    A "Bad Penny."

  • dpoole
    dpoole Posts: 5,940 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Neat error coin.


    Here's a warning parable for coin collectors...



  • TurboSnail
    TurboSnail Posts: 1,669 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    "Lincoln gone wild"

  • crazyhounddog
    crazyhounddog Posts: 14,250 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Grease filled die. Great eye to catch such a coin.

    The bitterness of "Poor Quality" is remembered long after the sweetness of low price is forgotten.
  • CaptHenway
    CaptHenway Posts: 34,164 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    I am more inclined to say weak strike, but cannot be sure.

    Professional Numismatist, Retired. 55 year member ANA. Former ANA Senior Authenticator. Winner of four ANA Heath Literary Awards; three Wayte and Olga Raymond Literary Awards; Numismatist of the Year Award 2009, and ANA Lifetime Achievement Award 2020. Winner of the PNG's 2026 Robert Friedberg Award for "The Enigmatic Lincoln Cents of 1922," Available now from Whitman or Amazon.
  • Hydrant
    Hydrant Posts: 7,773 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited July 30, 2017 2:24PM
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    Common.

  • WorldSavingBlog
    WorldSavingBlog Posts: 15 ✭
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    I believe it is a 1991 no mint mark. Would PCGS even take it?

  • Jimnight
    Jimnight Posts: 10,846 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    It looks to be a filled die

  • bronze6827
    bronze6827 Posts: 526 ✭✭✭
    edited July 31, 2017 4:37AM
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    > I agree - grease filled die.

    I disagree. Fully. That looks to me like it was struck, never got ejected or ejected properly, and struck again - maybe struck 3 times.

  • WorldSavingBlog
    WorldSavingBlog Posts: 15 ✭
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    I've never sent in a coin to PCGS, would they even take it? Would any of you send it in?

  • MedalCollector
    MedalCollector Posts: 2,103 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    @CaptHenway said:
    I am more inclined to say weak strike, but cannot be sure.

    With such strong design rims?

  • Treashunt
    Treashunt Posts: 6,748 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Greased die obv

    Frank

    BHNC #203

  • rollerrorhunter
    rollerrorhunter Posts: 45 ✭
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    I would have called it "worn out" and threw it in the recycling bin. Nice find and good luck

  • astrorat
    astrorat Posts: 9,221 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    @CaptHenway said:
    I am more inclined to say weak strike, but cannot be sure.

    That was my first thought as well. However, the rim looks fairly well formed for a weak strike. I tend to think the coin was struck a grease-filled die (a die with "grease" residue that was not properly removed before striking coins).

    The "doubling" is an artifact as others have stated. It's called strike doubling, machine doubling, or ejection doubling. While interesting to examine, it's common and carries no premium in value.

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  • CaptHenway
    CaptHenway Posts: 34,164 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    I believe that a well-upset planchet rim can produce a well-struck rim on an otherwise weakly struck coin. I am just not sure if that was the case on this coin.

    Professional Numismatist, Retired. 55 year member ANA. Former ANA Senior Authenticator. Winner of four ANA Heath Literary Awards; three Wayte and Olga Raymond Literary Awards; Numismatist of the Year Award 2009, and ANA Lifetime Achievement Award 2020. Winner of the PNG's 2026 Robert Friedberg Award for "The Enigmatic Lincoln Cents of 1922," Available now from Whitman or Amazon.
  • EXOJUNKIE
    EXOJUNKIE Posts: 1,639 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    @WorldSavingBlog said:
    I've never sent in a coin to PCGS, would they even take it? Would any of you send it in?

    Personally, (if it is determined to be a greased filled die with ejection doubling) I would not send it in to be graded as the cost of grading/encapsulation will exceed the value of the coin.

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