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WorldSavingBlogWorldSavingBlog Posts: 15 ✭
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There are letters missing, numbers missing, stuff looks doubled on the back. The monument left side looks doubled.







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  • DBSTrader2DBSTrader2 Posts: 3,483 ✭✭✭✭

    I'm far from an expert, but a bad forgery? Obverse date numbers (what there are of them) in the date look too large & out-of-place, and lettering in "Liberty" look amateurish. Missing Lincoln statue in the Memorial, etc.....

  • JBKJBK Posts: 15,567 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited July 30, 2017 3:00AM

    It is a mess, for sure. Good eye in catching it. I vote for major ejection doubling/shearing of letters, and maybe grease filled die.

    Or, maybe struck twice with slight rotation in between strikes? (That explanation might have some value).

  • RoscoRosco Posts: 253 ✭✭✭✭

    I have never seen an obverse such as this, interesting / drastic occurrence.
    Is it a 1991 - D ?
    I'm sure one of the many experts know exactly, as stated above.

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  • rickoricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I agree with @DBK...grease filled die, ejection doubling.... Cheers, RickO

  • Insider2Insider2 Posts: 14,452 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I agree - grease filled die.

  • ECHOESECHOES Posts: 2,974 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Insider2 said:
    I agree - grease filled die.

    +1

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  • JRoccoJRocco Posts: 14,277 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I concur.
    Grease filled die with ejection doubling.
    Die lines show that the dies were worked on to clean up previous messes.
    Interesting coin.

    Some coins are just plain "Interesting"
  • ms70ms70 Posts: 13,954 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited July 30, 2017 6:59AM

    Is that 1997 I think? That is super interesting. I wonder if the PCGS label has enough space to describe it!

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  • DoubleEagle59DoubleEagle59 Posts: 8,309 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I call it "Ebay Gold!!"

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  • HydrantHydrant Posts: 7,773 ✭✭✭✭✭

    A "Bad Penny."

  • dpooledpoole Posts: 5,940 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Neat error coin.


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  • TurboSnailTurboSnail Posts: 1,668 ✭✭✭✭✭

    "Lincoln gone wild"

  • crazyhounddogcrazyhounddog Posts: 13,969 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Grease filled die. Great eye to catch such a coin.

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  • CaptHenwayCaptHenway Posts: 32,141 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I am more inclined to say weak strike, but cannot be sure.

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  • HydrantHydrant Posts: 7,773 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited July 30, 2017 1:24PM

    Common.

  • WorldSavingBlogWorldSavingBlog Posts: 15 ✭

    I believe it is a 1991 no mint mark. Would PCGS even take it?

  • JimnightJimnight Posts: 10,846 ✭✭✭✭✭

    It looks to be a filled die

  • bronze6827bronze6827 Posts: 525 ✭✭✭
    edited July 31, 2017 3:37AM

    > I agree - grease filled die.

    I disagree. Fully. That looks to me like it was struck, never got ejected or ejected properly, and struck again - maybe struck 3 times.

  • WorldSavingBlogWorldSavingBlog Posts: 15 ✭

    I've never sent in a coin to PCGS, would they even take it? Would any of you send it in?

  • MedalCollectorMedalCollector Posts: 1,974 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @CaptHenway said:
    I am more inclined to say weak strike, but cannot be sure.

    With such strong design rims?

  • TreashuntTreashunt Posts: 6,747 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Greased die obv

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  • rollerrorhunterrollerrorhunter Posts: 45 ✭

    I would have called it "worn out" and threw it in the recycling bin. Nice find and good luck

  • astroratastrorat Posts: 9,221 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @CaptHenway said:
    I am more inclined to say weak strike, but cannot be sure.

    That was my first thought as well. However, the rim looks fairly well formed for a weak strike. I tend to think the coin was struck a grease-filled die (a die with "grease" residue that was not properly removed before striking coins).

    The "doubling" is an artifact as others have stated. It's called strike doubling, machine doubling, or ejection doubling. While interesting to examine, it's common and carries no premium in value.

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  • CaptHenwayCaptHenway Posts: 32,141 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I believe that a well-upset planchet rim can produce a well-struck rim on an otherwise weakly struck coin. I am just not sure if that was the case on this coin.

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  • EXOJUNKIEEXOJUNKIE Posts: 1,616 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @WorldSavingBlog said:
    I've never sent in a coin to PCGS, would they even take it? Would any of you send it in?

    Personally, (if it is determined to be a greased filled die with ejection doubling) I would not send it in to be graded as the cost of grading/encapsulation will exceed the value of the coin.

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