Swapped my Monitor CWT for a Peacock HTT.
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G'bye, Monitor CWT. I'll miss you.
(NGC MS65 BN)
But ... this is about to take its place.
Hello, Peacock HTT.
Was an even swap. What do you think?
(PCGS MS63 BN)
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they both look very nice to me.
I think it was a fair trade. The person who's getting my Monitor needed that variety for his specialized CWT collection.
My own "Eclectic Box" collection is pretty much the polar opposite of a specialized collection, so the Monitor needed to be in his collection, while the Peacock will fit just fine in mine.
I do not know rarity on these but I do know art.
Your new coin is awesome, you made a great trade if you think in terms of eye appeal.
I think that it is a nice trade...not sure about the values. Coins are only in our possession for a little while...at least that is my mentality on "possessions".
I really like the C.D. Peacock token!
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NO! Absolutely not! I collect everything associated with the Monitor & Merrimac. LOL.
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I like the peacock better
I do think primarily in terms of eye appeal.
As to the relative rarities, the other party in the trade says the Monitor token is only R1 but one of the nicest examples he's seen. The Peacock is R2 but the only one graded by PCGS.
He also gave this data:
"Monitor - NGC has 5 in MS65BN with none finer, PCGS has none in 65 (64 is the top). Both TPGs have examples in RB (N-65, P-64) with none in RD.
Peacock - PCGS has this 1 as its sole graded example. NGC has 4 in MS63BN with none finer, but does have several in RB including a 66. None in RD at either TPG."
The Peacock is not technically a true Hard Times Token as the "1837" date would indicate. It was actually struck circa 1902 for the 75th anniversary of the company, and deliberately done in the style of a HTT. But I suppose it gets cataloged with HTTs because of its date and size, etc. So it's sort of a retro-styled "tribute" of a Hard Times Token. But still over a century old, large cent-sized, and with nice color and a super design, so I'm still happy to be getting it.
both are very cool...but i think you won on eye appeal. well thought trade!
thats a good swap. way cool
I agree with you...good swap.
Tom
Nice cashless swap
Katy Perry would be happy you showed your Peacock
"Good Trade".
Even nicer is that it helped make two people Happy!
In a perfect world I'd like you to have both at once.
I'd say that you came out equal on the cool scale.
Congrats.
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I like the addition, especially since it is large cent sized.
K
Good trade.
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@Broadstruck (or anyone who might know) - any ideas on the significance (if any) of the clock hands being at 9:12?
I'm in the 912 area code, so perhaps it was destiny.
I know little of these tokens, but the Navy in me has to like the Monitor and the cool anchor (and cannons, can't forget the cannons, those are popular in my house). BUT I totally love the peacock one too. If the value is the same and I was getting one as a gift today I'd take the peacock. Tomorrow it might be the Monitor. Both are awesome, but if the Monitor got a good home, well then so did the peacock.
Love the Peacock, I have one as well. In the condition of yours, they are very hard to obtain. I think you got the better end of the deal.
Best, SH
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The Peacock is the better looking coin IMHO
If both parties are very, very happy, then it was a GREAT swap.
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Nice peacock.
Funny that the forum software now allows us to use the word peacock. Used to have to fool it with "pkok" or something similar.
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Both very nice pieces!
If you are both happy with the trade then I would say you did well. Me personally, I think I would have kept the Monitor. But I know very little about these CWTs.
Don't know attributes of traded coin, but, this door entrance.........Loop: Peacock Door at the C.D.Peacock Jewelery Store at the Palmer House Hotel..
I kept my mouth shut when you asked if it was a fair trade, cause I know nothing about them and didn't want to give bad advice. Now that it's a done deal, I will say I would personally rather own the one you now own. Nice trade!
I've always enjoyed tokens, but never really gotten around to collecting them. I like the color on the token you traded for.
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Good trade!
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Nice!
Great looking Peacock token, I think it was a good trade, even if I am partial to the Monitors.
Not being aware of their listed prices, I find the Peacock more aesthetically pleasing, but I do love the gravitas and history of Civil War tokens and coins. Glad you are happy with the trade though.
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What an exquisite set of doors. They sure knew how to make beautiful stuff in that era. Thanks for posting that.
"Time is money." A more appropriate slogan for our hobby, I cannot find.
Nice addition.
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Great trade LordM.... I like both of them.... Looks to me like a fair deal. I, too, would like to know the significance of the time on the Peacock token... I am sure someone knows.. Calling @Broadstruck .... Cheers, RickO
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"Founder Elijah Peacock, a skilled third generation watch and jewelry repairman, was lauded by his contemporaries for using his craft to repair pocket watches... Elijah passed the mantle to his son Charles Daniel, and in 1889, the name was changed to C.D.Peacock. As the city grew, C.D.Peacock expanded along with it. Each store was designed to be a showplace for the finest jewelry, watches, and gifts"
http://www.cdpeacock.com/about-us/the-history-of-c-d-peacock/
I think "Time is Money" is not meant in the Ben Franklin sense, rather, for the Peacock Jewelry company, time is money literally, watch sales are the basis of the company business. Peacock sold time(keeping).
Ornamental clock with peacock motif on the site of the former Peacock's Jewelry Store at State and Monroe Streets in Chicago, Illinois. Peacock on top and door style on the side.
I don't know a thing about either coin, but the Peacock is a beautiful coin.
On eye appeal alone I think this is the nicer coin.
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@epcjimi1 - thanks again. I figured the clock hands were an allusion to watchmaking. Makes sense.
The Peacock token is here now. I have not yet opened the package.
Maybe someone knows differently, but I've never heard that the time 9:12 has any special significance. It simply seems to be the best place to put the hands from a design (aesthetic) perspective so they don't cover up the words TIME IS MONEY.
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This looks like a good trade all the way around. Rob, it was nice of you to help the other collector who needed that piece. And in return you received a very stunning Peacock. When everyone is happy, that makes a great trade. Good job!!
Jeff
Not the best photo, but here is one of NGC's RB examples for comparison:
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You have more willpower than me...I don't think I've ever waited more than 5 minutes to open a coin package after it's arrived!
Great looking Peacock token...always liked that design. Little Monitor was nice too, sounds like the swap was a win-win.
This very same Monitor token sold for $340 in the 2010 Stacks-Bowers Baltimore sale, I believe, though through some lucky and/or strategic bidding I acquired it on eBay only a few years later for less than half that price, at a surprisingly modest $165.65.
We both figured our pieces in the mid- to upper-$200s for the purposes of this swap.
The Peacock is opened and examined in hand, now, though still not under a glass or with proper lighting. What I've seen of it so far is as expected and looks nice.
I've also seen enough now to know I'm happy with the deal, so we're halfway to that desired "win-win" situation, pending the other party's receipt and opinion of the Monitor piece, any day now. Since he's the one who originally contacted me and initiated the swap, I expect he will be happy, too.
Hardtimes vs CWT. That's a good trade for both parties.
Love the Monitor but that IS and upgrade!
Very nice!
Sophie's choice. I think since it made to people happy, it was the best outcome. Love both those tokens.
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You traded up in coolness factor and eye appeal. I have no idea on the value of either, but given the choice to pick one to keep, the Peacock HTT wins.
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