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About how much should i expect to get from a raw 1909 vdb matte proof i pulled out of circulation
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I would say $5-10 at most for an average circulated. But this coin looks fine-x-fine. Picture of the whole coin including reverse please.
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Im sorry i meant how much for a 1909 vdb matte proof.
Although your images are too blurry to see the die markers, the lack of sharpness on the inner and outer rims alone indicates this is not a matte proof, IMO. Either way- that's an awesome circulation find!
I was skeptical at first and hav studied this coin for atleast 3 weeks under a x10 magnify glass. The pictures r really blurry im taking them with jus my phone. The rims do look rounded in the pictures but thats jus how the light is making them look. Any advice on the best way to take pictures with my phone so they r clear enough for u guys to see them
This is my 1916 which i believe to b a matte proof also
You are welcome to believe those are matte proofs, but your original question was how much you should expect to get from them. The answer to that question depends on whether someone ELSE believes those are matte proofs and is willing to pay for them.
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I can see where this is going and can tell that you will not be satisfied with any answer that does not agree with your own. Therefore, I strongly suggest you submit both coins to PCGS and/or NGC to have them authenticated and graded. You won't like the answers and it will cost you a relative bundle, but at least you won't have to write how your camera is making them look like something they aren't.
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I agree with tom, we get them all the time in the office, people come in and you try to educate em, but they still don't believe you and insist they have (the coin).
Wide rims on early Lincolns is not the sole confirming marker for a matte proof. Lack of wide rims, like on that VDB, is grounds for exclusion.
What I do find most interesting about your photography is the "man hole cover" shot of the 09 vdb. In that view, the letters of "LIBERTY" appear to float up and down...or that they were individually pasted on the coin. You'd swear the field in that area was wavy.
The pictures are not bad for phone pictures.... We have seen much worse here. They are good enough to determine that you do not have a matte proof... Take TomB's advice and send them in to PCGS.... your cost will be tuition. Cheers, RickO
agreed
If you believe it, prove us wrong
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Can you move the period (.) after the D a little bit more to the center between the D and B ?
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The guy who would buy them as proof matte, has been banned already for buying a bunch of dimes, your quest will be to find him...
Quick question. Is there 1 die characteristic on either the obverse or reverse or both that would guarentee a coin to b a matte proof?
Here is a 1909 Plain Matte Proof cent which is as close as I will ever get to owning a 1909-VDB in Matte Proof. Compare it to what you have and see if your coins hold up.
And here are photos of the real thing from my archives.
On all proof VDBs the dot after the D is almost directly between the D and the B. On the business (MS) strike VDB's some have a close dot after the D and some have the centered. Yours appears to have a close dot which means it wasn't struck from proof dies.
The rim edges should be razor sharp on both inside and out side edges. Yours appear to have a beveled edge.
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Woody is actually correct. If the dot isn't centered it isn't a Matte Proof.
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Save your money on the Submission, Believe what folks are saying, and instead, buy a good cheap camera or childs "Digital Blue" microscope.
WS
Not matte proofs.
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Agreed that they're not proofs, and I am even questioning the authenticity of the 09 VDB.
It may just be the photos, but it doesn't look right.
the OP's coin looks like the one that was sent out to space. Same smooth surfaces. Kind of neat and a pleasant coin to look at.
I'd like to offer you big bucks! Except it is not a proof.
This.