Just a $650k price difference
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I prefer the cheaper one
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I will take door #2.
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What's the point?
Andy Lustig
Doggedly collecting coins of the Central American Republic.
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People really sell million dollar coins on eBay?
Dead Cat Waltz Exonumia
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Selling high value coins on eBay isn't a bad idea since the selling fees cap out at only $250 ($225 if you have a top rated seller discount).
What would the fees be if you tried to sell that same coin through one of the major coin auction houses????
But yeah, probably advertising for the sellers as I'm guessing any deal on those coins would be done off eBay anyways.
Michael Kittle Rare Coins --- 1908-S Indian Head Cent Grading Set --- No. 1 1909 Mint Set --- Kittlecoins on Facebook --- Long Beach Table 700
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I'll take #1 please, after negotiating the price down.
The first coin was graded in 2004, when I walked it through on March 3rd. There are several grading events for that same coin shortly after that date, as in hand and compared side-by-side, it is superior to the 1803 Proof Dollar that PCGS graded as PR66CAM. You will also notice multiple grading events at the PR64 level, as other specimens were re-submitted to get upgraded to PR65.
The second coin is clearly a recent grading event, based on the cert number.
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Can I buy both and send them to you for a fourth opinion?
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Both beautiful coins!
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why is there 25 watchers for the 1st coin and only 1 on the second coin
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@MANOFCOINS said:
Are either one of those coins CAM? Those pictures don't look CAM to me. Having said that both are well above my pay scaleCameo standards for early proofs are much more lax than for later proofs. They both look cameo to me; I think the second one was labeled correctly but the wrong info was entered into the cert page.
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Either is fine with me. My birthday is in December. Thank you very much!
John
Keeper of the VAM Catalog • Professional Coin Imaging • Prime Number Set • World Coins in Early America • British Trade Dollars • Variety Attribution6 -
I like the photo of the cheaper coin. Looks prettier and I've had many pleasant transactions with that dealer. 30% difference between the same PCGS CAC coins. Interesting. Both of these dealers are certainly top players in the crackout/resubmission/hair splitting food chain.
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Todd is good with cam and pl.
I gave up judging it from pics. I haven't the necessary experience.
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Or does it have something to do with the proof 1802 being rarer than the 1804?
Andy Lustig
Doggedly collecting coins of the Central American Republic.
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@MrEureka said:
Or does it have something to do with the proof 1802 being way less desirable than the 1804?
Fify. Mainly, it has to do with two rare 'coins' being on eBay at the same time. 'Coins' designated as such because these were for profit serupticious Mint creations from the 1870's
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Me too!
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Apparently no toning premium for #2. A great buy for -650K?
OINK
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If dealer one believes their higher price is the more accurate market price... why are they not immediately buying the coin offered by dealer two?
Michael Kittle Rare Coins --- 1908-S Indian Head Cent Grading Set --- No. 1 1909 Mint Set --- Kittlecoins on Facebook --- Long Beach Table 700
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@tradedollarnut said:
Mainly, it has to do with two rare 'coins' being on eBay at the same time. 'Coins' designated as such because these were for profit serupticious Mint creations from the 1870'sWhich is exactly why I would rather not have either and keep the $1,000,000+ in cash.
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@tradedollarnut said:
And we can't even blame it on TPG or CAChttp://www.ebay.com/itm/1802-DRAPED-BUST-1-PCGS-PR-65-CAM-/182505811777
PCGS Cert: PCGS 50144151
Grade: PCGS PR65CAM CAC
PCGS Price Guide: $850,000
Offered at: $1,732,500.00
Price Guide Premium: 104%PCGS Cert: PCGS 84393871
Grade: PCGS PR65 CAC
PCGS Price Guide: $800,000
Offered at: $1,079,995.00
Price Guide Premium: 35%
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Both CAC
$650k difference
Original submitter on #1 says it is #1What's holding #2 back?
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I like both, but from the pictures, I'd take the second one. The first one is better than the pictures show on eBay. Those photos are very washed out which loses a lot of the detail. Still I like #2 despite the fact that the color probably is the result of a dip long ago, which has retoned. The only concern might be, is it stable? It probably is.
Retired dealer and avid collector of U.S. type coins, 19th century presidential campaign medalets and selected medals. In recent years I have been working on a set of British coins - at least one coin from each king or queen who issued pieces that are collectible. I am also collecting at least one coin for each Roman emperor from Julius Caesar to ... ?0 -
Okay this is coin #1: coins.ha.com
And this sure looks like #2: coins.ha.com
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@cardinal said:
I'll take #1 please, after negotiating the price down.The first coin was graded in 2004, when I walked it through on March 3rd. There are several grading events for that same coin shortly after that date, as in hand and compared side-by-side, it is superior to the 1803 Proof Dollar that PCGS graded as PR66CAM. You will also notice multiple grading events at the PR64 level, as other specimens were re-submitted to get upgraded to PR65.
The second coin is clearly a recent grading event, based on the cert number.
This.
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think of the ebay bucks
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@ChrisRx said:
think of the ebay bucksIt is a max of $100 per transaction.
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I am aware, it was a joke.
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@oldstandard said:
why is there 25 watchers for the 1st coin and only 1 on the second coinThe 1st coin has been listed much longer, so more people have had a chance to view it and add to their watch list.
Coin #1: listed 27-Mar-17
Coin #2: listed 20-Jun-17
(Info on both via watchcount)
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put them into auction and they both will bring between 700k and 900k each.
Its not relevant what asking prices some dealers are dreaming of.2 -
Do sales of this level actually get completed on ebay? I often thought they were really stunts/advertising... Cheers, RickO
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@ricko said:
Do sales of this level actually get completed on ebay? I often thought they were really stunts/advertising... Cheers, RickOHard to say, I know eBay for "auctions," has a cap of $100k for anyone to bid, anything beyond this the bidders have to register etc. A watch collector learned this the hard way a month or so ago.
Andrew Blinkiewicz-Heritage
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@VanHalen said:
Okay this is coin #1: coins.ha.comAugust 2012: $851,875.00
And this sure looks like #2: coins.ha.com
April 2008 - $920,000.00
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I remember when RCW purchased their 1802 $1 and I liked the coin in hand.
That was 5 years ago and it appears they still have it
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Both are beautiful, but if forced to choose, I would go with #2.
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@joebb21 said:
I remember when RCW purchased their 1802 $1 and I liked the coin in hand.That was 5 years ago and it appears they still have it
They might be waiting for that day when someone has to have it. Similar to what they do for a lot of their high powered coins.
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If they sold the information regarding pricing would be a bit more valuable.
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