Possible 1943 copper penny

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Coronacrew23
Coronacrew23 Posts: 2 ✭
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Hey all I'm new to coins but to make a long story short I purchased 15 rolls of wheat pennies at a flea market last weekend in search of the impossible 1943 copper penny...low and behold I think I found one.. not in very good shape but any help or info would be great!

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  • mr1931S
    mr1931S Posts: 7,309 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    next thing to do is the magnet test,

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  • Coronacrew23
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    It does not stick to a magnet..fyi

  • bolivarshagnasty
    bolivarshagnasty Posts: 7,359 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    I would compare the coin to a steel 1943-S Lincoln, paying particular attention to the number 3 in the date. I would guess you will find it doesn't come close, which would mean it is an altered 194x coin. If you are still convinced it is genuine, send it to one of the grading services for authentication.

  • ricko
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    @Coronacrew23Wow... that is terribly damaged... looks as if it has spent a while in a parking lot.... You will have to send it for authentication if you really want to know.... best of luck and welcome aboard. Cheers, RickO

  • FredWeinberg
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    That's not one of 'em.

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  • johnny9434
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    its to bad thats all beat up. i hope it works out for you

  • golden
    golden Posts: 10,535 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    If Fred says its not its not!

  • WoodenJefferson
    WoodenJefferson Posts: 6,491 ✭✭✭✭
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    It could very well be a 1945 or a 1947 as there is this great big hawking skid mark right through the last digit of the date.

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  • KellenCoin
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    I believe that is not authentic.

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  • AUandAG
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    Welcome, great fun to search rolls, keep on searching!!

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  • metalmeister
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    Too bad if it was. Looks like parking lot tire damage.

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  • cmerlo1
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    With that amount of damage, no reputable grading service will certify and guarantee (with their money behind it) that is an authentic 1943 bronze cent.

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  • lkeigwin
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    Do you still think that's a 3? I'd guess 5, maybe.
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  • kevinj
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    Nice blow up, looks like they abraded down the fourth digit and the top part of the 4, then tried to build some part of the
    4th digit back up. Not even close

    Kevin J Flynn
  • abcde12345
    abcde12345 Posts: 3,404 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Congratulations first and formost. Now, does it have a wheatear back or is it the memorial building? If it is the building you possibly have a fake. if it is the wheatback ears you are in for a treat.
    Send to PCGS (packaged securely and with plenty of good ol' fashion insurance. Or walk it in. Either way it takes years of experience and expertise to determine if these are real (or stick to a magentic source of some type).

    Don't let the lawn jockys tell you otherwise! Can't grade from a close-up picture.

  • WillieBoyd2
    WillieBoyd2 Posts: 5,410 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    I would like to see a Lincoln cent memorial reverse with a date altered to 1943.

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  • kevinj
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    @abcde12345 said:
    Congratulations first and formost. Now, does it have a wheatear back or is it the memorial building? If it is the building you possibly have a fake. if it is the wheatback ears you are in for a treat.
    Send to PCGS (packaged securely and with plenty of good ol' fashion insurance. Or walk it in. Either way it takes years of experience and expertise to determine if these are real (or stick to a magentic source of some type).

    Don't let the lawn jockys tell you otherwise! Can't grade from a close-up picture.

    lawn jockys? Really?
    Has nothing to do with grading
    The close up photo shows the diagnostics that absolutely show it cannot be a 43 bronze cent
    The number 1 way counterfeiters used for the 1943 Bronze cents is through altering the final digit (usually an 8
    on an 1948 cent). Another method was to add a plated layer to a 1943 steel cent, which can be detected with a magnet.
    How do I know, I have researched this subject starting in 1994, and have written books on this series which included
    a detailed study on this subject, and also have seen counterfeit 1943 cents
    I know Fred has probably seen more 43 counterfeits than everyone else on this forum combined, this is why just
    looking at the photo he knew it was not.

    Kevin J Flynn
  • mannie gray
    mannie gray Posts: 7,259 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    @kevinj said:

    @abcde12345 said:
    Congratulations first and formost. Now, does it have a wheatear back or is it the memorial building? If it is the building you possibly have a fake. if it is the wheatback ears you are in for a treat.
    Send to PCGS (packaged securely and with plenty of good ol' fashion insurance. Or walk it in. Either way it takes years of experience and expertise to determine if these are real (or stick to a magentic source of some type).

    Don't let the lawn jockys tell you otherwise! Can't grade from a close-up picture.

    lawn jockys? Really?
    Has nothing to do with grading
    The close up photo shows the diagnostics that absolutely show it cannot be a 43 bronze cent
    The number 1 way counterfeiters used for the 1943 Bronze cents is through altering the final digit (usually an 8
    on an 1948 cent). Another method was to add a plated layer to a 1943 steel cent, which can be detected with a magnet.
    How do I know, I have researched this subject starting in 1994, and have written books on this series which included
    a detailed study on this subject, and also have seen counterfeit 1943 cents
    I know Fred has probably seen more 43 counterfeits than everyone else on this forum combined, this is why just
    looking at the photo he knew it was not.

    @kevinj said:

    @abcde12345 said:
    Congratulations first and formost. Now, does it have a wheatear back or is it the memorial building? If it is the building you possibly have a fake. if it is the wheatback ears you are in for a treat.
    Send to PCGS (packaged securely and with plenty of good ol' fashion insurance. Or walk it in. Either way it takes years of experience and expertise to determine if these are real (or stick to a magentic source of some type).

    Don't let the lawn jockys tell you otherwise! Can't grade from a close-up picture.

    lawn jockys? Really?
    Has nothing to do with grading
    The close up photo shows the diagnostics that absolutely show it cannot be a 43 bronze cent
    The number 1 way counterfeiters used for the 1943 Bronze cents is through altering the final digit (usually an 8
    on an 1948 cent). Another method was to add a plated layer to a 1943 steel cent, which can be detected with a magnet.
    How do I know, I have researched this subject starting in 1994, and have written books on this series which included
    a detailed study on this subject, and also have seen counterfeit 1943 cents
    I know Fred has probably seen more 43 counterfeits than everyone else on this forum combined, this is why just
    looking at the photo he knew it was not.

    Agreed. It is not a 1943.
    If the experts say it's not it's not.
    It would be a complete waste of money to submit this.

  • abcde12345
    abcde12345 Posts: 3,404 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    If it is not: $35. spent.
    If it IS: profit in the tens of thousands. Why not take a gamble? It might come back with a problem grade but these are scarce and worth it.

  • FredWeinberg
    FredWeinberg Posts: 6,039 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Again, It's not what you think it is,
    and it is a complete and total waste
    of your money to send it to ANY
    genuine Grading/Authentication Service.

    Retired Collector & Dealer in Major Mint Error Coins & Currency since the 1960's.Co-Author of Whitman's "100 Greatest U.S. Mint Error Coins", and the Error Coin Encyclopedia, Vols., III & IV. Retired Authenticator for Major Mint Errors for PCGS. A 50+ Year PNG Member.A full-time numismatist since 1972, retired in 2022.
  • 1Mike1
    1Mike1 Posts: 4,445 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Keep looking

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  • abcde12345
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    @dbldie55 said:
    I would sell it to abcde12345 for the $35 he is offering.

    Pay for the grading/shipping and you've got a deal!

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