USA 1797 and other half penny's and others stuff- not answered yet
JV36
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I am new to the site. I have a collection of early USA coins from 1700's and going forward some are amazing shape and others like the 1797 are visible but black not copper bright the 1806 and 1804 are sharp in my opinion. Is it advisable to get those all graded? no matter what because of the age? Looking for some input.
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BillJones
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You will need to post some pictures in order to get any meaningful feedback. We can't advise you from words alone. As for a 1797 half cent, here is one that is in my collection. It is raw (unslabbed) because one of the services refused to grade it years ago. This is the "one over one" 1797 half cent. It is the most common of the three 1797 half cent varieties.
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Very nice! ok I will upload some pictures when I get home from work. I took some coins to a dealer and he said not worth it and offered me 100 for the blue book. I will send them when home Thank you!!
Bill, I had no idea that this 1/2 cent had a 1/1 variety....super cool!
Thanks for the picture!
Had to go look it up too!
bob:)
@JV36... Welcome aboard.... your collection sounds very interesting and we look forward to some pictures. There are definitely members here who are experts in copper.... Cheers, RickO
Ok still little weak on photo taking but I promise to get better. I have enclosed some coins pictures of my collection. Unsure what if any are worth grading. I have a lot more been looking at books trying to make sense of it all. Great hobby I must say.
Trying to upload some pictures. see if it works
More penny's Can I only post one at a time?
one more picture
Open to any comments
A lot of them look like they have issues, but that does not mean they don't have value...they do. Just not as much.
The 1797 half cent looks to me to be the 1 over 1 variety.
Don't worry about the old stuff not being "copper bright"....if it were, then it would mean they were cleaned.
Hard to tell a lot with the photos, but the photos definitely helped.
Some of them, such as your 1804 and 1806 (barring anything nasty on the reverses), I would get slabbed. The 1797 would be debatable, to me, to get slabbed. It has value, but I don't think it would straight grade. May be able to get the value from it without slabbing. To me, it is one of those I would self-slab or put in a 2x2, and just enjoy.
I've been told I tolerate fools poorly...that may explain things if I have a problem with you. Current ebay items - Nothing at the moment
The 1804 and 1806 on the backs are in great shape. Thank you for those 2 years that is amazing help to get slabbed. Trying to figure out what to get graded I have some bright red coppers but of 19776-d and the 1980s.
I took the coins to a dealer and was offered 100 for all of it,
Dealer was trying to rip you off.
You could probably get $20+, each, for the large cents. The IHCs and FEs add up as well.
Dealer definitely was not being fair, to you. Fair to himself, yes. To you, no.
I've been told I tolerate fools poorly...that may explain things if I have a problem with you. Current ebay items - Nothing at the moment
Bochiman Thank you again for the wise words and input. I know my collection has been passed down but you never know what gems one finds. Would the 1857 and 1858 worth getting slabbed?
1804 is the most collectible coin shown, and without more information, it is the only one worth getting graded, IMHO. It is likely worth $175-225 by itself. We would need to see the back in order to make a better determination of value. It would be worth a lower amount if there is a scratch or corrosion on the back, for instance. This coin could also be sold without getting it graded, as early copper collectors do not insist on slabbed coins. Many times, they will crack the coin out of the slab after buying it, so why bother getting it certified if its value is easy to determine? It's mostly the mint state (or nearly so) examples of early copper that need to be professionally graded in order to establish value.
1797 is a close second in value, even though it is in rough condition. I am guessing it would cost $150 to $200 if purchased at a coin show. I would not send this for grading due to its rough condition. It is perfectly salable without getting it graded.
1806 has nice details, but its surfaces are ugly due to an old cleaning. Valuation depends on which die variety it is. It appears to be a "small 6" variety, but we would need to see the back to determine the exact die variety. One variety for this date (C-3) is very rare, and it is worth big money (over $20,000 in the grade shown). It is more likely a common variety worth $75-125. Don't send this one for grading; it will be called "cleaned."
Other half cents shown (besides 1809) are worth $10 to $50 apiece. They will be hard to sell unless priced attractively, as they are common dates, and most have some sort of damage. It is easy to locate these coins in nicer condition than what you have, and they aren't terribly expensive. 1809 is a better coin, and if you could provide better photos of the front and back, we could estimate its value.
Flying eagle and Indian cents will add up, as pointed out by Bochiman. Expect $5 to $50 per coin. These are mostly well-worn, and they will be harder to sell, as nicer coins are readily available for most dates. If there are any coins dated 1866-1878, you need to show us pictures of those, especially if there is an 1877. Also, look at the backs of the 1908 and the 1909. Is there an "S" underneath the wreath? Those are worth a possibly hefty premium, especially 1909-s. Any 1877 or 1909-s should be sent for grading because they have been widely counterfeited. These dates might be difficult to sell without getting them certified as genuine. 1909 VDB Lincoln is only worth a few bucks; these are common, and many are available in mint state (better condition than yours).
Overall, $100 was a very low offer. You can do better selling the coins yourself on the BST forum here and/or on eBay. Hope this helps!
rhedden Thank you! for the wealth of information! The backs are in great shape just had a hard time uploading photos had to enclose one at a time. Thank you for the critical yet fair words of wisdom. As I said I have a lot of stuff to go through so I am proceeding slowly.
I have enclosed some more for review
I have enclosed some more. I have a mix of Morgan's
3 cent barbers and early USA coins. Some sorted and some well who doesn't love a coffee jar with mixed coins and blue books
The 1866 is a semi-key date in the Indian Head Cent series. The coin has Good sharpness, but it was cleaned long ago and has some minor environmental damage. I still say the coin would sell as a Good for Good money because the copper on these early bronze Indian Cents was not the best.
The Flying Eagle has VF-20 sharpness, but it has some pits here an there, so the net grade is Fine. It's not a bad coin for budget collector's date set.