Improperly cleaned? I've seen worse with polished surfaces and AT that high grades like AU-50. I expected to get a VF-30.
Body bagged for (teeth) marks. Valid, but then I've seen others much worse in holders.
Artificial toning? Recolored?
Retired dealer and avid collector of U.S. type coins, 19th century presidential campaign medalets and selected medals. In recent years I have been working on a set of British coins - at least one coin from each king or queen who issued pieces that are collectible. I am also collecting at least one coin for each Roman emperor from Julius Caesar to ... ?
I bought a nice 1909 proof Lincoln with very pleasing color. Sent it off to PCGS and it came back body bagged with the notation: Proof 63 - Questionable Color.
I can't post a pic because I no longer own the coin.
This was about 20 or so years ago.
Pete
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Corrosion on the buffalo is on under the date. Wheel damage is in the field on the center left of the obverse. Both are a shame as really think they are beautiful coins.
What exactly does "Counterfeit man made Mint Error" mean?
Are Counterfeit Mint Errors with gender based origins or does this vague language mean to imply PMD attempting to replicate a mint error or does it mean somebody at the mint did this with intent to deceive?
I think it refers to post mint damage that is placed on a genuine coin to make it look as if the piece has a mint caused error. Some of the most common examples of this are straight edged "clipped planchets." Almost all genuine clipped planchets are rounded with the same arc as the edge of the coin in question. A straight edged clip can only occur at the end of a rolled out strip, and those are much rarer.
Another example are coins that are normally reeded that don't have the reeds. These are sometimes called "prison pieces" because inmates have been known to while away the time by tapping the edge of a coin with a device such as a spoon there by gradually flattening the reeding. There are bogus error modern cents that are missing their copper coating. Many of these pieces have had the coating removed outside of the mint.
Retired dealer and avid collector of U.S. type coins, 19th century presidential campaign medalets and selected medals. In recent years I have been working on a set of British coins - at least one coin from each king or queen who issued pieces that are collectible. I am also collecting at least one coin for each Roman emperor from Julius Caesar to ... ?
Personally, I wish we would go back to the old days and the coin would be given a "net" grade with detractions deducted from the coin instead of "here's your coin back" Many of these coins above are market acceptable in holders IMHO.
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VF Details - Cleaned
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Corrosion

Questionable Color

Counting wheel damage

Environmental damage

Improperly cleaned? I've seen worse with polished surfaces and AT that high grades like AU-50. I expected to get a VF-30.
Body bagged for (teeth) marks. Valid, but then I've seen others much worse in holders.
Artificial toning? Recolored?
I bought a nice 1909 proof Lincoln with very pleasing color. Sent it off to PCGS and it came back body bagged with the notation: Proof 63 - Questionable Color.
I can't post a pic because I no longer own the coin.
This was about 20 or so years ago.
Pete
20c piece - XF details - scratched. Nice, wholesome look. Probably my favorite coin.
Quarter - a little bit of pitting and a cleaning, but a nice example of a truly rare date.
@CommemKing...Is the 'corrosion' that spot on the Buffalo's butt?? And where is the 'counting wheel' damage on that WLH?? Cheers, RickO
Corrosion on the buffalo is on under the date. Wheel damage is in the field on the center left of the obverse. Both are a shame as really think they are beautiful coins.
I think it refers to post mint damage that is placed on a genuine coin to make it look as if the piece has a mint caused error. Some of the most common examples of this are straight edged "clipped planchets." Almost all genuine clipped planchets are rounded with the same arc as the edge of the coin in question. A straight edged clip can only occur at the end of a rolled out strip, and those are much rarer.
Another example are coins that are normally reeded that don't have the reeds. These are sometimes called "prison pieces" because inmates have been known to while away the time by tapping the edge of a coin with a device such as a spoon there by gradually flattening the reeding. There are bogus error modern cents that are missing their copper coating. Many of these pieces have had the coating removed outside of the mint.
Interesting thread.
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Personally, I wish we would go back to the old days and the coin would be given a "net" grade with detractions deducted from the coin instead of "here's your coin back" Many of these coins above are market acceptable in holders IMHO.
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