1980 Bird/Magic PSA 10

markmac · May 15, 2017 6:39PM

A shade under $89,000. Wow. Top middle nic?

markmac · May 15, 2017 6:42PM

I would have to see it under loop before I spend this much. Tough card. I opened a box years ago and pulled 3. Got a PSA 7,5, and 2. Bottom of all three had a factory nic. Some worse than others.

addicted2ebay · May 15, 2017 6:58PM

@markmac said:
I would have to see it under loop before I spend this much. Tough card. I opened a box years ago and pulled 3. Got a PSA 7,5, and 2. Bottom of all three had a factory nic. Some worse than others.

Ouch what a bummer. Unopened does not = mint that's for sure.

markmac · May 15, 2017 7:01PM

Yes. Luckily I paid $12 for it. Many years ago!!

addicted2ebay · May 15, 2017 7:07PM

@markmac said:
Yes. Luckily I paid $12 for it. Many years ago!!

Haha I was thinking you dropped 4-5k whew that's good.

sushihotwings · May 15, 2017 7:39PM

I have been watching. Insanity. You can pick up an opened box for 5k. This box of mine
is calling my name and might just have to open it.

markmac · May 15, 2017 7:49PM

Don't do it!!!

shagrotn77 · May 15, 2017 8:14PM

Do it!!! Lol.

lseecon · May 15, 2017 9:34PM

what are the odds of a bird magic rookie in an unsearched unopened box? looks like 8 cards per pack times 36 so 288 cards per box. How many different panels/cards in the set?

SDSportsFan · May 16, 2017 12:10AM

Last month, PWCC sold another one for $75K. The one last night though, had centered perforations between the three panels, which are tough to find.

I did notice that "nick" or whatever at the top of the current card. It may have been a shadow or some other scanner/slab anomaly though, and not actually a defect on the card.

Steve

mikelowell25 · May 16, 2017 12:16AM

@markmac said:
A shade under $89,000. Wow. Top middle nic?

Helpful hint: next time you start a thread like this please include a link to the card so we can see it without having to look for it

http://www.ebay.com/itm/1980-Topps-Basketball-Larry-Bird-Magic-Johnson-ROOKIE-RC-PSA-10-GEM-MINT-PWCC-/142373677967?hash=item212621eb8f:g:CIYAAOSwBt5ZDPAk

HighGradeLegends · May 16, 2017 3:06AM

I hate when sellers ask high prices for a non holo label card. The cost tk reholder is well less than 1% of the hammer price...sigh...

flatfoot816 · May 16, 2017 3:56AM

Rip that Box!! Rip that Box!!

sushihotwings · May 16, 2017 7:46AM

Well, since we are a democratic country, the votes are counted with two votes to rip by flatfoot and shagrotn and one nay by markmac. The box will be opened. . I think I will make it a slow summer rip over a few weeks. Wish me luck and I will post my results.

LOTSOS · May 16, 2017 8:03AM

Wow! Even I'm excited to see this!

Good Luck,
Kevin

divecchia · May 16, 2017 9:08AM

Looking forward to the results.

Good luck with your rip.

Donato

UFFDAH · May 16, 2017 9:09AM

Good luck on the RIP!!

sushihotwings · May 16, 2017 2:31PM

The ripping has begun

markmac · May 16, 2017 2:38PM

Did you hear? PSA 7, PSA 5, PSA 2!!!

markmac · May 16, 2017 2:40PM

Definitely a sequence in the packs with the Bird/Magic. I would suggest you write down the sequencing for future reference.

shu4040 · May 16, 2017 2:44PM

" The one last night though, had centered perforations between the three panels, which are tough to find."

this is a good call out for the perfect version of this card. I still remember going to the National in Baltimore (4 years ago?) and holding a PSA 10 in my hand and the seller pointed out the perfectly centered perforations which i've learned to see aren't always there.

The seller wanted $10K (also remembered a 76 payton 10 for $5K, montana/rice for $3.5K each, ouch) which was far out of my league at the time, but holy moly opposed to last summer's prices, this is a card I could see holding that $90K value.

Panama Mutiny · May 17, 2017 7:27AM

@shu4040 said:
" The one last night though, had centered perforations between the three panels, which are tough to find."

this is a good call out for the perfect version of this card. I still remember going to the National in Baltimore (4 years ago?) and holding a PSA 10 in my hand and the seller pointed out the perfectly centered perforations which i've learned to see aren't always there.

The seller wanted $10K (also remembered a 76 payton 10 for $5K, montana/rice for $3.5K each, ouch) which was far out of my league at the time, but holy moly opposed to last summer's prices, this is a card I could see holding that $90K value.

and still a 1967 carew rookie psa 9 is 10k (smh)

Littletweed · May 17, 2017 5:13PM

@lseecon said:
what are the odds of a bird magic rookie in an unsearched unopened box? looks like 8 cards per pack times 36 so 288 cards per box. How many different panels/cards in the set?

I have opened a couple of boxes and my experience was 2 in one and 3 in the other. All five were not 9 or 10 quality. From what I have also heard 2-3 Bird/Magic RC's is the norm in an unsearched box.

There are 176 different cards to the set.

shagrotn77 · May 17, 2017 6:49PM

Hopefully I'm not in the minority in not believing for one second that those Bird/Magic PSA 10 sales were legit.

secretstash · May 17, 2017 7:18PM

Makes me want to send mine back in after a crackout... Nice and centered, but can I avoid the PD grade?

ugaskidawg · May 17, 2017 7:26PM

Is the PD the snow in the background of the photos

baz518 · May 17, 2017 7:30PM

Where's the statistics expert? 2-3 per box seems right. There's 176 in the set, 288 in a box... however, half the set is double printed, including the Bird/DrJ/Magic.

dtkk49a · May 17, 2017 7:44PM

89K ? Seriously?

maddux69 · May 17, 2017 8:15PM

@HighGradeLegends said:
I hate when sellers ask high prices for a non holo label card. The cost tk reholder is well less than 1% of the hammer price...sigh...

There is the inherit risk in shipping high grade cards just to be reholdered. Personally, I would wait until PSA is at a show I am attending where they could do it on the spot. Unfortunately, I live in the southeast and PSA does not attend any shows near me.

secretstash · May 17, 2017 8:20PM

@ugaskidawg said:
Is the PD the snow in the background of the photos

Yes my PD is the dusting of white in the black backgrounds, whereas, most PD's on this card are black dots on the white of the card stock. It also doesn't have the lower black dash-mark on the bottom right from print traditionally found on this card to go along with the centering of each section.

I like to think I could get a straight 9 on this some day after a few tries.

ugaskidawg · May 18, 2017 6:40AM

@secretstash said:

@ugaskidawg said:
Is the PD the snow in the background of the photos

Yes my PD is the dusting of white in the black backgrounds, whereas, most PD's on this card are black dots on the white of the card stock. It also doesn't have the lower black dash-mark on the bottom right from print traditionally found on this card to go along with the centering of each section.

I like to think I could get a straight 9 on this some day after a few tries.

Thanks for that - couldn't tell if that was dust on the case, because I couldn't find any other marks.

I think a 9 would be very attainable. There is no way that is equivalent to a 7 because of the PD designation.

baseballfan · May 18, 2017 6:52AM

what dos a psa 9 go for now?

good luck with the rip can't wait to see the results

Dpeck100 · May 18, 2017 8:07AM

@shagrotn77 said:
Hopefully I'm not in the minority in not believing for one second that those Bird/Magic PSA 10 sales were legit.

I know a dealer who sold one to someone for 85k earlier this year and it ended up in the final persons hands at 115k. Shocking but true.

Craziest part of the story is it was a BVG 9 crack out he bought for $2,100. Biggest score he has ever had.

Cakes · May 18, 2017 10:00AM

@secretstash said:
Makes me want to send mine back in after a crackout... Nice and centered, but can I avoid the PD grade?

OMG I would have sent it in multiple times. To me that's not enough to qualify as PD.

Cakes · May 18, 2017 10:06AM

@lawyer05 said:

@shu4040 said:
" The one last night though, had centered perforations between the three panels, which are tough to find."

this is a good call out for the perfect version of this card. I still remember going to the National in Baltimore (4 years ago?) and holding a PSA 10 in my hand and the seller pointed out the perfectly centered perforations which i've learned to see aren't always there.

The seller wanted $10K (also remembered a 76 payton 10 for $5K, montana/rice for $3.5K each, ouch) which was far out of my league at the time, but holy moly opposed to last summer's prices, this is a card I could see holding that $90K value.

and still a 1967 carew rookie psa 9 is 10k (smh)

I love Carew but he wasn't and never will be the same level of Superstar as Bird or Magic. If he had more playoff experience and legendary playoff games he would have been a lot closer.

Panama Mutiny · May 18, 2017 10:09AM

@Cakes said:

@lawyer05 said:

@shu4040 said:
" The one last night though, had centered perforations between the three panels, which are tough to find."

this is a good call out for the perfect version of this card. I still remember going to the National in Baltimore (4 years ago?) and holding a PSA 10 in my hand and the seller pointed out the perfectly centered perforations which i've learned to see aren't always there.

The seller wanted $10K (also remembered a 76 payton 10 for $5K, montana/rice for $3.5K each, ouch) which was far out of my league at the time, but holy moly opposed to last summer's prices, this is a card I could see holding that $90K value.

and still a 1967 carew rookie psa 9 is 10k (smh)

I love Carew but he wasn't and never will be the same level of Superstar as Bird or Magic. If he had more playoff experience and legendary playoff games he would have been a lot closer.

You are correct , if he was a Yankee he would be the greatest hitter of all time.

Panama Mutiny · May 18, 2017 10:12AM

All the Yankee players combined ever have one more batting championship than Carew
8 Yankee Batting Championships
7 Carew

Dand522612 · May 18, 2017 10:18AM

@lawyer05 said:

@Cakes said:

@lawyer05 said:

@shu4040 said:
" The one last night though, had centered perforations between the three panels, which are tough to find."

this is a good call out for the perfect version of this card. I still remember going to the National in Baltimore (4 years ago?) and holding a PSA 10 in my hand and the seller pointed out the perfectly centered perforations which i've learned to see aren't always there.

The seller wanted $10K (also remembered a 76 payton 10 for $5K, montana/rice for $3.5K each, ouch) which was far out of my league at the time, but holy moly opposed to last summer's prices, this is a card I could see holding that $90K value.

and still a 1967 carew rookie psa 9 is 10k (smh)

I love Carew but he wasn't and never will be the same level of Superstar as Bird or Magic. If he had more playoff experience and legendary playoff games he would have been a lot closer.

You are correct , if he was a Yankee he would be the greatest hitter of all time.

Dude could absolutely rake

Dand522612 · May 18, 2017 10:20AM

I like my 8 more than a lot of borderline 9's for 3K

Cakes · May 18, 2017 10:26AM

@lawyer05 said:

@Cakes said:

@lawyer05 said:

@shu4040 said:
" The one last night though, had centered perforations between the three panels, which are tough to find."

this is a good call out for the perfect version of this card. I still remember going to the National in Baltimore (4 years ago?) and holding a PSA 10 in my hand and the seller pointed out the perfectly centered perforations which i've learned to see aren't always there.

The seller wanted $10K (also remembered a 76 payton 10 for $5K, montana/rice for $3.5K each, ouch) which was far out of my league at the time, but holy moly opposed to last summer's prices, this is a card I could see holding that $90K value.

and still a 1967 carew rookie psa 9 is 10k (smh)

I love Carew but he wasn't and never will be the same level of Superstar as Bird or Magic. If he had more playoff experience and legendary playoff games he would have been a lot closer.

You are correct , if he was a Yankee he would be the greatest hitter of all time.

No way, while not a Yankee Musial did everything Carew could do and had power,

Panama Mutiny · May 18, 2017 10:31AM

If Musial was a Yankee he would be the greatest hitter of all time.

Panama Mutiny · May 18, 2017 10:52AM

@Dand522612 said:

I like my 8 more than a lot of borderline 9's for 3K

nice card

Cakes · May 18, 2017 10:59AM

@lawyer05 said:
If Musial was a Yankee he would be the greatest hitter of all time.

I see what you did there....lol well played!

Cakes · May 18, 2017 11:04AM

Dand, your card is nice but unfortunately it has the black line under Johnson.

Dand522612 · May 18, 2017 11:20AM

@Cakes said:
Dand, your card is nice but unfortunately it has the black line under Johnson.

Thanks, I do see many 9's with the black line. I don't think that is what knocked it down?? it does have one corner with a chip on the back.

Dpeck100 · May 18, 2017 11:26AM

@Dand522612 said:

@Cakes said:
Dand, your card is nice but unfortunately it has the black line under Johnson.

Thanks, I do see many 9's with the black line. I don't think that is what knocked it down?? it does have one corner with a chip on the back.

Lower corner on the Bird?

Dand522612 · May 18, 2017 11:28AM

Top right on Magic on the back, lower corner is really almost no wear

Cakes · May 18, 2017 12:15PM

@Dand522612 said:

@Cakes said:
Dand, your card is nice but unfortunately it has the black line under Johnson.

Thanks, I do see many 9's with the black line. I don't think that is what knocked it down?? it does have one corner with a chip on the back.

I am sorry I wasn't saying it couldn't grade a PSA 9 with the line I was just saying IMHO it couldn't be considered high end like the card the OP was referring to if it had the black line.

Dand522612 · May 18, 2017 12:43PM

@Cakes said:

@Dand522612 said:

@Cakes said:
Dand, your card is nice but unfortunately it has the black line under Johnson.

Thanks, I do see many 9's with the black line. I don't think that is what knocked it down?? it does have one corner with a chip on the back.

I am sorry I wasn't saying it couldn't grade a PSA 9 with the line I was just saying IMHO it couldn't be considered high end like the card the OP was referring to if it had the black line.

No worries, I totally agree it is a bit distracting and is not high end as a result.

grote15 · May 18, 2017 12:54PM

@lawyer05 said:
If Musial was a Yankee he would be the greatest hitter of all time.

Negative. Carew was a great hitter but he is hardly the best hitter of all time no matter what uniform he wore.

secretstash · May 18, 2017 2:11PM

@ugaskidawg said:

@secretstash said:

@ugaskidawg said:
Is the PD the snow in the background of the photos

Yes my PD is the dusting of white in the black backgrounds, whereas, most PD's on this card are black dots on the white of the card stock. It also doesn't have the lower black dash-mark on the bottom right from print traditionally found on this card to go along with the centering of each section.

I like to think I could get a straight 9 on this some day after a few tries.

Thanks for that - couldn't tell if that was dust on the case, because I couldn't find any other marks.

I think a 9 would be very attainable. There is no way that is equivalent to a 7 because of the PD designation.

@Cakes said:

@secretstash said:
Makes me want to send mine back in after a crackout... Nice and centered, but can I avoid the PD grade?

OMG I would have sent it in multiple times. To me that's not enough to qualify as PD.

Thank you guys. I really feel a straight 8 should be no problem and a 9 is certainly in the realm of possibility. Should I send it in with another PSA 9 PD when I find one that is really black marked and displaying PD and hope they use the two to compare to give me a straight 9? I just wanted to try once before cracking to send in as a review, but in this example there are obviously investment costs in the other 9PD. Thoughts?

1980 Bird/Magic PSA 10

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