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Counterfiet American Silver Eagle.

keetskeets Posts: 25,351 ✭✭✭✭✭
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We just came across our first ever counterfeit ASE, a 1995 dated example. The weight is off at 32gr. and the "ring" is a dull thud. Other than that it looks like the Real-McCoy.

Al H.

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  • CascadeChrisCascadeChris Posts: 2,529 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Compare the sandal. They can never get the sandal and foot right.

    The more you VAM..
  • UnclePennyBagsUnclePennyBags Posts: 327 ✭✭✭

    Magnetic?

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  • CaptHenwayCaptHenway Posts: 33,088 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Say them many years ago out of China, including some with the date 1906!

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  • keetskeets Posts: 25,351 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Tom, I was surprised that it took this long for one to show up. we have a box of fakes, I think the most common are Seated Dollars and the common of those is dated 1845.

  • Timbuk3Timbuk3 Posts: 11,658 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Saw one that was dated 1900 !!!

    Timbuk3
  • 1630Boston1630Boston Posts: 14,115 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Any pics to share :smile:

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  • LibertyLoverLibertyLover Posts: 5 ✭

    Crazy. Thanks for the heads up.

    Something to consider:

    “Whoever controls the volume of money in our country is absolute master of all industry and commerce…when you realize that the entire system is very easily controlled, one way or another, by a few powerful men at the top, you will not have to be told how periods of inflation and depression originate.” Meaning the IMF/ FED did us in this time. - James Garfield, 20th President Of U.S. Assassinated 1881

  • derrybderryb Posts: 37,987 ✭✭✭✭✭

    scale calibrated?

    Good pics would be nice.

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  • UnclePennyBagsUnclePennyBags Posts: 327 ✭✭✭

    Here's one I had a few weeks ago

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  • 1630Boston1630Boston Posts: 14,115 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @UnclePennyBags
    Good to know.
    Was it in the plastic case?
    Could be the pics but it looks thin, what was the weight.
    Thanks for the info :smile:

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    Bad transactions with : nobody to date

  • BillJonesBillJones Posts: 35,071 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @CaptHenway said:
    Say them many years ago out of China, including some with the date 1906!

    I have a couple of those that a local collector gave to me for my counterfeit presentations. I also posted pictures of a counterfeit 2016 Proof Silver Eagle last year that was housed in a genuine box and papers.

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  • UnclePennyBagsUnclePennyBags Posts: 327 ✭✭✭

    @1630Boston said:
    @UnclePennyBags
    Good to know.
    Was it in the plastic case?
    Could be the pics but it looks thin, what was the weight.
    Thanks for the info :smile:

    yes it was in the case... 26.xx grams .... 32 in the case.... Notice it has a W mint mark

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  • UnclePennyBagsUnclePennyBags Posts: 327 ✭✭✭
    edited April 20, 2017 1:18PM

    this one came from this site.
    https://www.wish.com/c/582bde69192bad1c3b7ab4ce?hide_login_modal=true&from_ad=pla4&_display_country_code=US&gclid=CPC9x7P6s9MCFQQFaQod4FoOoA

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  • 1630Boston1630Boston Posts: 14,115 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Thanks @UnclePennyBags

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    Bad transactions with : nobody to date

  • kiyotekiyote Posts: 5,594 ✭✭✭✭✭

    It's crazy what counterfeiters will try. I even saw a proof dated 2009! (A non proof year)

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  • derrybderryb Posts: 37,987 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited April 20, 2017 5:35PM

    @UnclePennyBags said:

    @1630Boston said:
    @UnclePennyBags
    Good to know.
    Was it in the plastic case?
    Could be the pics but it looks thin, what was the weight.
    Thanks for the info :smile:

    yes it was in the case... 26.xx grams .... 32 in the case.... Notice it has a W mint mark

    obvious fake even from your pics. The W mintmark is normal for ASE proofs. Your linked site does point out it is silver plated. Unfortunately a reseller on ebay will not. 2000 is a popular year for the chinese ASE counterfeiters.

    edited to add: my bad, 2000 was one of the few P mint marks.

    If you understand what is coming, then you can duck. If not, then you get sucker-punched. - Martin Armstrong

  • derrybderryb Posts: 37,987 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Still hoping to see Keets' pics of the '95. I'm thinking the .9 g underweight could be a problem with his scale. Hope he'll also specify proof or business strike.

    If you understand what is coming, then you can duck. If not, then you get sucker-punched. - Martin Armstrong

  • UnclePennyBagsUnclePennyBags Posts: 327 ✭✭✭

    @derryb said:

    @UnclePennyBags said:

    @1630Boston said:
    @UnclePennyBags
    Good to know.
    Was it in the plastic case?
    Could be the pics but it looks thin, what was the weight.
    Thanks for the info :smile:

    yes it was in the case... 26.xx grams .... 32 in the case.... Notice it has a W mint mark

    obvious fake even from your pics. The W mintmark is normal for ASE proofs. Your linked site does point out it is silver plated. Unfortunately a reseller on ebay will not. 2000 is a popular year for the chinese ASE counterfeiters.

    The W mint mark is not normal for a 2000 and while obvious as a single coin when someone throws it in a batch of 100 coins it can quickly get missed.... that site is selling these silver plated coins for $1 so people can try and trick others by saying .999 fine silver

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  • cameonut2011cameonut2011 Posts: 10,181 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @CaptHenway said:
    Say them many years ago out of China, including some with the date 1906!

    Are you sure they weren't Carr pieces?

  • CaptHenwayCaptHenway Posts: 33,088 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @cameonut2011 said:

    @CaptHenway said:
    Say them many years ago out of China, including some with the date 1906!

    Are you sure they weren't Carr pieces?

    Yes. These were not silver.

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  • keetskeets Posts: 25,351 ✭✭✭✭✭

    **while obvious as a single coin when someone throws it in a batch of 100 coins it can quickly get missed.... **

    this is what we discussed at work.

  • rickoricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I did not realize counterfeit ASE's were so prevalent.... What next? Counterfeit AGE's? Makes one very cautious.. and of course those new to collecting will suffer the most.... Cheers, RickO

  • keetskeets Posts: 25,351 ✭✭✭✭✭

    counterfeit AGE's have already been documented, I believe CW had an article about a year ago and there was alert posted here.

  • rickoricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Thanks Al, guess I missed that... Must have been off working somewhere... Of course I am not really surprised that it has been done.... Next will be a 1933 St. Gaudens... :D Cheers, RickO

  • keetskeets Posts: 25,351 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I will not be baited!!! :)

  • shorecollshorecoll Posts: 5,447 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Good, we have a few Masters of that around here!

    ANA-LM, NBS, EAC
  • rickoricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭

    "I will not be baited!!! :)"

    Hey Al.... that would make you a master baiter..... :D:D Cheers, RickO

  • SonorandesertratSonorandesertrat Posts: 5,695 ✭✭✭✭✭

    OK, children. Go stand in the corner.

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  • nk1nknk1nk Posts: 480 ✭✭✭✭

    @kiyote said:
    It's crazy what counterfeiters will try. I even saw a proof dated 2009! (A non proof year)

    If it had a DC mint mark you should have snagged it!

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