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If the surfaces have a glossy appearance, yes. If they are closer to a dirty satin appearance, then no. I don't see an indication of cleaning.
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Does not look cleaned but a normal cell phone image under natural light would help. These are over saturated.
The coin is 191 years old, silver, and not dark, so it's probably been lightened somewhere along the line. I don't see anything that jumps out that would preclude a normal grade, however. The obverse picture is quite good. The reverse has a hot spot in the field between the eagle's right wing and PLURIBUS.
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Yes, it does appear to cleaned, but it might not bad enough preclude getting a grade. It is touch and go however, from the photos.
The coin has a lot of detail, but it does not have original srufaces for sure.
I agree with the others, it kinda looks ok from the pictures.
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Looks similar to baking soda jobs or other abrasive cleaners. I doubt it gets graded.
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Backing soda cleaning is sometimes results in more gradular surfaces with not as much brightness.
Don't be done with it just yet. If PCGS tells you you stink, then you do.
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Wait...what's the question again?
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Lot of meat on'er bones BUT............
darkness around the stars and letters indicates it was cleaned.
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From the photos it ia difficult to tell.
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It looks lightly cleaned but probably would be market acceptable.
Most likely we won't see evidence of cleaning from a image. Sorry, looks cleaned and put in an envelope for a short time.
Send in a group, see what percentage slabs, then either pat yourself on the back or beat yourself up. Don't do it based on one too-bright image "guess if it's cleaned" thread.
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No one is born with the ability to grade or otherwise judge coins. It takes time, experience and money.
It can take years and many, many coins to learn.
It certainly appears to have had a dip at some point.... the picture does not show any abrasive marks.... It looks as if it will straight grade from those pictures .... in hand, well, we shall see. Be sure to let us know....good information for all of us. Cheers, RickO
If it does not have cleaning hairlines, there is a possibility that it could look at least half way decent after envelope storage for a few years. This worked for me several times when I was young collector. BUT it does take a few years, and if it's hairlined, nothing can fix it except using it as a pocket piece and wearing it down to a lower sharpness grade.
As mannie and BillJones and others have said, I agree it was probably lightly cleaned (dipped), but doesn't appear to be harshly or abrasively cleaned. I also like the idea of trying to let it retone naturally, in old Kraft-type envelope, album, etc. for a few years. If it acquired a little colorful rim tone, the eye appeal would be greatly improved IMO.
Most likely a light cleaning at some point, but I think the photo makes it look too bright, especially the reverse, so can't give much of an opinion
Don't be so hard on yourself saying that you'll never buy another raw coin. Everyone of us hear on these boards have made mistakes and if they tell you they haven't then their lying to you.
Take a step back and start looking at as many coins as you can and ask a lot of questions to dealers and other collectors on their opinions on coins and soon you'll get the idea.
The one way I tell people how to recognize luster on a coin is pretend your windshield is a coin and on a cold morning to have frost on it, frost being the luster. When you take a scraper to it it's all shinny underneath. That's a coin that has been cleaned. Sounds weird but people get it after I tell them that.
Occasionally I'll buy a "details" bust half when I think PCGS's opinion was borderline. They can usually be bought pretty cheaply.
This 1827 O.145 R5 was called cleaned. There are no hairlines on it. But it was just a little bright/shiny. I paid $447, cracked it out and stuck it in an envelope on a window sill for 15 months. It is now in a problem-free XF45 holder with a price guide value of $1200.
I did the same with the below 181.7 bust half, body-bagged for cleaning. Cost $525. Nine months later it graded AU55; the price guide value is $3500.
Moral: Don't give up on borderline TPG judgments. Persistence pays off.
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Lance - can I send some coins to you, to put on your windowsill?
That 1817 is gorgeous!
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Ideally, an old kraft envelope which was made with a trace of sulfur. You might be able to pick some up from a friendly dealer at a show.
But the most important factor is the repeated exposure to sunlight and darkness (hot and cold cycling). Some say sit it on a wood sill and flip it every couple of weeks.
I'm not an expert at this so maybe others have recommendations. Where I live it is a slow process because of the low humidity. But I'm not in any hurry either.
Lance.
Love the '17