Are these true gold errors? If so, will they grade? SOME GRADES POSTED
jwitten
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I have been setting aside some of my more interesting raw buys, and am trying to decide if these are true error coins, and if they are, will PCGS both label them as errors, and will they straight grade?
First up is a nice 1925-D Indian. Very nice details everywhere except for lower obverse corner. Struck through grease?
Next is a nice 1910. Possibly struck through debris on the obverse?
Next is this 1914-D, with odd raised area by the rim. 
Next is a 1878 $2 1/2 with a strike through thread or something similar.
Next is this neat 1861 $1 that has 180 degree rotation, but it has been cleaned, so I doubt I will grade it.
Of course I will be sending them in with the 1927 I bought the other day with the cud. I am also interested in PCGS putting the xf45 1847-O 180 degree rotation in an error holder. It is already pcgs graded... do I still have to pay the full grading fee?
Thanks!
Comments
JMO.
What he says.
Why would the 1878 not grade as an error?
I'd say no on the 1878 $2.5 - too minor, imo
Yes on the 1925-D, based on the photo only.
Probably No, maybe Yes on the 1910 and NO on the 1914, imo.
Yes on the Rotated Reverse 1861.
1 Yes, as a struck through
2 Maybe, I can't decide if that is a struck through or post mint damage
3 No That looks like a former mounting to me.
4 No I think that's graffiti
5 No, Graffiti on the face. The die rotation is well known for the 1861 gold dollar and is not that rare. I have one.
As Fred says, the 1878 is too minor.
I think that the 1914-D is just a bit of "finning" that got mushed down into the coin. Not supposed to happen, but too minor to call an error.
Decided to send the 1925-D, 1910, 1927, and 1847-O on the error form. Then 3 toners on a separate form, including these 2:
Both of those gold coins above are
artificially toned - not natural toning
in any way.
I've got a few that are pcgs and ngc graded that look just like them. If they grade, I will be happy.
The 1878 $2.50 looks like it has been treated with iodine. I once had one that was bit more artfully rendered at on one time. PCGS made good on that one.
So was it already graded or what? It looks similar to this NGC MS62 I own:
You have to look at the coin with a strong glass or a microscope. I was able to see that some of the "toning" was not really on the surface. Others may have a more sophisticated way of spotting this,
What the experts said.
Every toned gold I've posted has been said to be artificially toned, but so far everyone has graded, thankfully. Hopefully these will as well. If not, oh well. I thought they were beautiful, but I probably will stop posting my toners since no one else seems to think they are natural. Hopefully either they or the error coins will straight grade (or both!)
i don't know much about errors, but it looks like you have a couple legit ones there. the 1861 with medal-orientation is really more of a variety, i think, but certainly an error. that coin probably won't grade, it's hard to tell...but i think it's damaged.
the 78 2.5d looks like a cleaned coin...not artificially toned. if you had the darkness toward the center and the lightness at the peripheral, then that look would be right.
many of the gold coins with toning you have posted look legit to me. the key is seeing the color progression. you should see blue, indigo, violet, in addition to orange, yellow, green.
don't stop posting them just because someone says they are artificial! keep going. you have a lot of graded toned gold coins...so you obviously know what color to look for.
Some nice old gold coins.... I will not second guess Fred W. or CaptHenway.... Let us know your results... always fun to see the coins before submission, then the results from the TPG.... Cheers, RickO
Got my first one back today. It was already graded, just not in an error holder, so all they had to do was add the error and take some pictures, which is why this one came back so quick. Do you know if there are many like this in this date? I wish I could have had a chance to get the speck of dirt off, but then it would have to be regraded, so I opted to just leave it alone.
Got notification on my toners... all three straight graded! Whoo hoo! I was hoping they would think they were all natural, and not cleaned, etc. Still waiting on the error coins. Any guesses on the grades??
Very nice!