I have recently become very into the Omaha Bank Hoard label and coins. I kinda want to Hoard these, LoL. I am savoring and procrastinating researching the actual origins of this pedigree as my imagination runs wild. I'll gather my OBH collection and post pics soon.
I'm also hoping to inherit a small group of CC GSA morgans from my grandfathers estate, with which I will dedicate a registry set in his honor.
Cool thread idea
Rocco
pedigrees are meaningless unless they are backed up by quality or rarity.
eliasberg gold-known for quality and historical completeness. Norweb-historical and some neat coinss. Omaha Bank is simply the name of a hoard of average coin as are the Wells Fargo $20 pieces. marketers do a good job with promoting pedigrees when they are meaningless.
A better example, you know any large cent that says naftzger is the best quality and you want it. these coins usually carry a premium
If you are collecting different pedigrees because you are enjoying your collecting experience that way then thats great and enjoy the way you choose to collect. On the other hand, I try to acquire coins that fit my cabinet that are attractively toned with high eye appeal and original surfaces, In some cases, certain pedigrees i.e. Norweb, Bareford and Elaisberg (sometimes) have those attributes more times that other pedigrees. So finding coins with those attributes are more important to me than just pedigrees. On the other hand, if a find a coin that has my look and it has one of those "great pedigrees or provenances" then those coins may be worth a premium.
I do not seek pedigrees. They are mostly hype and really add zero value (IMO) to a coin. I know, many collect pedigrees and to them, it adds value..... for me, it is the coin, and only the coin. Cheers, RickO
@ricko said:
I do not seek pedigrees. They are mostly hype and really add zero value (IMO) to a coin. I know, many collect pedigrees and to them, it adds value..... for me, it is the coin, and only the coin. Cheers, RickO
I agree. I have some coins that have pedigrees, but those citations came along for the ride. I bought the coin because I liked it. I didn't seek them out or pay a premium because of them.
The one positive thing about pedigrees is that it helps with rarity estimates and condition census information. When you can trace back the ownership roster of a given high grade piece, you know that it is not "new" and that the condition census has not been expanded.
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its cool when a pedigree adds history to a coin, tells you were its been,who handled it. When its in old auction catalogs, what people thought of that coin back then, compared to today. i also like when someone talks about a specific coin in a book that was written 50 yrs, 100 years ago. id pay a premium for that. depends how much it interest me . i wouldn't pay a huge premium but reasonable. The "history", is what coin collecting is about to me.
Another valuable aspect to a pedigree is the memories they evoke. For example, I attended the 1979 and 1980 Garrett sales in New York, as well as the Eliasberg gold sale in 1981. Those were extraordinarily exciting events, especially for a relative newbie like me. I would pay a premium for those pedigrees, just for the memories the coins evoke.
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pedigrees are about quality and rarity, not memories.
Years ago kutasi pedigree on $10 gold was worthless as most of the coins had issues. any one within the gold area will agree.
There is also a well known dealer who for a while was putting his name on any coin he handled. the coins were junk. every one that was bought went right to pcgs for pedigree removal. clever attempt at marketing tho
Wells fargo? its just a hoard they named that for marketing purposes and people bought the hook. the majority of coins were nothing special
I like the OBH pedigree and there are several pleasing coins I bought for the coin and label. I am especially proud of my 1938 MS66FS OBH, 1950 MS65FS OBH, and my 1939 R 40 MS67 COMPRADORE COLLECTION
@Aspie_Rocco said:
I like the OBH pedigree and there are several pleasing coins I bought for the coin and label. I am especially proud of my 1938 MS66FS OBH, 1950 MS65FS OBH, and my 1939 R 40 MS67 COMPRADORE COLLECTION
I had a V nickel in a green label PCGS slab with the Eliasberg pedigree. As you may recall, there were several "rolls" of these from the collection that were stabbed en masse. Did Eliasberg ever look at these? Probably not. But, someone paid me a huge premium to own it. A run of the mill, common date V nickel.
This is the only one I have that really means anything to me Pedigree wise. I know, not worth too much, but he actually owned it, that`s why I like it a little extra.
I have a $3 pattern with a Pittman pedigree. It was one of the first rare coins I purchased and I didn't even know who Pittman was back then. Now that I know more I do appreciate the added history that goes with the coin.
I have many coins with pedigrees. None of them mean that much to me except the coins with the JULES REIVER pedigree. It's not even the coins that are so special. It's the man. A true American hero. I know he served in the U.S. Army, but if he were here today he wouldn't take offense at my salute to him........SEMPER FIDELIS.
Some guy named Berry owned this (or at least stamped it). He ran a saloon in Philadelphia in the 1850's. Since provenances refer to prior ownership by (important) people, perhaps we should call this a pedigree.
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I have recently become very into the Omaha Bank Hoard label and coins. I kinda want to Hoard these, LoL. I am savoring and procrastinating researching the actual origins of this pedigree as my imagination runs wild. I'll gather my OBH collection and post pics soon.
I'm also hoping to inherit a small group of CC GSA morgans from my grandfathers estate, with which I will dedicate a registry set in his honor.
Cool thread idea
Rocco
https://www.autismforums.com/media/albums/acrylic-colors-by-rocco.291/
pedigrees are meaningless unless they are backed up by quality or rarity.
eliasberg gold-known for quality and historical completeness. Norweb-historical and some neat coinss. Omaha Bank is simply the name of a hoard of average coin as are the Wells Fargo $20 pieces. marketers do a good job with promoting pedigrees when they are meaningless.
A better example, you know any large cent that says naftzger is the best quality and you want it. these coins usually carry a premium
If you are collecting different pedigrees because you are enjoying your collecting experience that way then thats great and enjoy the way you choose to collect. On the other hand, I try to acquire coins that fit my cabinet that are attractively toned with high eye appeal and original surfaces, In some cases, certain pedigrees i.e. Norweb, Bareford and Elaisberg (sometimes) have those attributes more times that other pedigrees. So finding coins with those attributes are more important to me than just pedigrees. On the other hand, if a find a coin that has my look and it has one of those "great pedigrees or provenances" then those coins may be worth a premium.
I do not seek pedigrees. They are mostly hype and really add zero value (IMO) to a coin. I know, many collect pedigrees and to them, it adds value..... for me, it is the coin, and only the coin. Cheers, RickO
I agree. I have some coins that have pedigrees, but those citations came along for the ride. I bought the coin because I liked it. I didn't seek them out or pay a premium because of them.
The one positive thing about pedigrees is that it helps with rarity estimates and condition census information. When you can trace back the ownership roster of a given high grade piece, you know that it is not "new" and that the condition census has not been expanded.
Good point Bill.... Thanks, Cheers, RickO
its cool when a pedigree adds history to a coin, tells you were its been,who handled it. When its in old auction catalogs, what people thought of that coin back then, compared to today. i also like when someone talks about a specific coin in a book that was written 50 yrs, 100 years ago. id pay a premium for that. depends how much it interest me . i wouldn't pay a huge premium but reasonable. The "history", is what coin collecting is about to me.
Another valuable aspect to a pedigree is the memories they evoke. For example, I attended the 1979 and 1980 Garrett sales in New York, as well as the Eliasberg gold sale in 1981. Those were extraordinarily exciting events, especially for a relative newbie like me. I would pay a premium for those pedigrees, just for the memories the coins evoke.
Doggedly collecting coins of the Central American Republic.
Visit the Society of US Pattern Collectors at USPatterns.com.
When collecting, a great pedigree to focus on is your own.
True. You will be judged on the coins you keep.
Doggedly collecting coins of the Central American Republic.
Visit the Society of US Pattern Collectors at USPatterns.com.
pedigrees are about quality and rarity, not memories.
Years ago kutasi pedigree on $10 gold was worthless as most of the coins had issues. any one within the gold area will agree.
There is also a well known dealer who for a while was putting his name on any coin he handled. the coins were junk. every one that was bought went right to pcgs for pedigree removal. clever attempt at marketing tho
Wells fargo? its just a hoard they named that for marketing purposes and people bought the hook. the majority of coins were nothing special
I like
the OBH pedigree and there are several pleasing coins I bought for the coin and label. I am especially proud of my 1938 MS66FS OBH, 1950 MS65FS OBH, and my 1939 R 40 MS67 COMPRADORE COLLECTION 
https://www.autismforums.com/media/albums/acrylic-colors-by-rocco.291/
Some nice looking coins !
I had a V nickel in a green label PCGS slab with the Eliasberg pedigree. As you may recall, there were several "rolls" of these from the collection that were stabbed en masse. Did Eliasberg ever look at these? Probably not. But, someone paid me a huge premium to own it. A run of the mill, common date V nickel.
Even named pedigrees are sometimes useless.
Cheers
Bob
This is the only one I have that really means anything to me Pedigree wise. I know, not worth too much, but he actually owned it, that`s why I like it a little extra.
I'm looking for the jdimmick pedigree, but haven't been able to locate one
I have a $3 pattern with a Pittman pedigree. It was one of the first rare coins I purchased and I didn't even know who Pittman was back then. Now that I know more I do appreciate the added history that goes with the coin.
Can anyone tell me / link me to any information on the Childs pedigree ?
childs picked his coins right from the mint. now that is a pedigree
I have many coins with pedigrees. None of them mean that much to me except the coins with the JULES REIVER pedigree. It's not even the coins that are so special. It's the man. A true American hero. I know he served in the U.S. Army, but if he were here today he wouldn't take offense at my salute to him........SEMPER FIDELIS.
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if mrhalfdime were online today, he would remind folks:
pedigree = dogs
provenance = people (and people own the coins)
Some guy named Berry owned this (or at least stamped it). He ran a saloon in Philadelphia in the 1850's. Since provenances refer to prior ownership by (important) people, perhaps we should call this a pedigree.
RMR: 'Wer, wenn ich schriee, hörte mich denn aus der Engel Ordnungen?'
CJ: 'No one!' [Ain't no angels in the coin biz]
Lest MrEureka think I should be consigned to a hot place, or at least one much hotter than Tucson, here is a coin with a modest provenance (Ex: Harry Bass):
RMR: 'Wer, wenn ich schriee, hörte mich denn aus der Engel Ordnungen?'
CJ: 'No one!' [Ain't no angels in the coin biz]