Let the "Guess the Grade!"'s begin... 1802 $1 (UPDATE: Grade Posted!)
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EDIT: Graded VF30 at PCGS. I'm still happy, although I was pulling for a 35.
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Let the "Guess the Grade!"'s begin... 1802 $1 (UPDATE: Grade Posted!)
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Pics make the coin look slightly bent.
If not bent, VF25,
Just beware the range of options you choose will absolutely influence the results you get. Most people will want to select an option in the middle of your range (especially if they know the coin is already graded).
OK, so not bent I'm going with 25.
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Looks much better in your photo than I was originally expecting from the seller's photo!
However it grades it's a damn fine Bustie. Nice high-res photography. Is the coin a little darker in hand? The blemishes detract slightly, but enhance the originality. Whatever happened to it seems like a long time ago. Super neat-clean shield bar lines. Even the tarnished fingerprint at Reverse 7 o'clock is interesting. (Fingerprint or not on Obverse 2 o'clock?) And does that rim ding at Obv 11 o'clock escape the half getting gennied because the coin is so classic? All in all, I like.
Not voting mainly because I am not able to get a good feel for the surfaces. I suppose the range is between 30 and 40 on a great day.
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VF35....nice old coin.... Cheers, RickO
I went 45 and that is assuming there are no problems. If it gets net graded then I could understand a VF35. I do not see how it could grade under 35.
I would just compare with a couple dozen comparable ones, straight and details graded to get a handle on grade and value: https://coins.ha.com/itm/early-dollars/1803-1-large-3-b-6-bb-255-r2-vf35-pcgs/a/1241-4275.s?type=NGC1241
I voted VF30.
The 1802 BB-241 die variety typically displays a strong strike, so any missing details are due to wear, not strike weakness.
The drapery line is worn completely off at the lower part of the bust. The drapery would be complete at the grade of XF40. There are considerable details in Liberty's hair and the eagle's right wing (to the viewer's left), so it is an upper grade of VF. That being said, there's just not enough details in the eagle's other wing to justify a grade of VF35 (in my opinion), and so I settled on VF30.
Here's PCGS' chosen image for a Draped Bust Large Eagle dollar in the grade of VF35 (from PCGS' Photograde online). Check out the level of details in the eagle's wings:
pcgs.com/photograde/#/Dollars
The photograde is not without some ambiguity, especially when focusing on a single feature. The reverse of the photograde VF25 might have stronger wing detail than the two 30/35 coins. In any case the obv of the 1802 looks stronger in the hair, ribbon, and drapery lines. On the reverse the tail feathers look stronger too. If Liberty's drapery line were a tad stronger it would match the detail of the XF40 obverse. In the balance the 30/35 are fairly equivalent....where surfaces, edge bumps, and overall marks could swing the final grade.
Oddly, the wing detail on the VG08 is close or better than that shown for the VG10, F12, F15 and VF20.
My first thought was 35.
My gut was 35 and I'm usually conservative, but I'll bet you get a 40.
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Looks like 18 of us graded it VF 30,so you had a pretty good idea of the outcome. Sure is a nice VF in the top holder. I'd be pleased also..
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I did not know you had a coin such as.
I like it and congrats to you!
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Looks like you did well on that group of coins you purchased based on this single result
It was cool getting to hold this raw as I don't know if I've seen one in person.
Oh and I'm gonna go ahead and vote now.
Thanks for sharing; so are you likely to turn a profit on the group?
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It looks a lot better in the PCGS holder!
i Still see a 35 the coin has a lot going for it , great hair definition. Great coin a true American classic.