Are Clark Gruber coins graded very lenient compared to other coins?

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• CaptHenway Posts: 33,042 ✭✭✭✭✭

  February 3, 2017 3:20PM

  Yikes!

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• Boosibri Posts: 12,478 ✭✭✭✭✭

  February 3, 2017 3:29PM

  Well all three are very old holders, two are copper die trials and the QE really shouldn't be gradeable. I doubt if submitted today that these three would end up in problem free holders but in the time of their original submission I'd simply guess that they were net graded.

  More to your question, I think the Territorials might get a bit of forgiveness but they really must be graded differently based on their crudeness. That does not mean that graffiti or other mechanical issues is necessarily forgiven as seen on these examples.

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• Sunshine Rare Coins Posts: 2,345 ✭✭✭✭✭

  February 3, 2017 3:31PM

  I would stick to a CAC coin for type.

  Look at the difference.

  https://coins.ha.com/itm/territorial-gold/territorial-and-fractional-gold/1861-5-clark-gruber-andamp-co-five-dollar-au50-pcgs-cac-k-6-r4/a/1189-6963.s?ic4=ListView-ShortDescription-071515

  https://coins.ha.com/itm/territorial-gold/territorial-and-fractional-gold/1860-2-1-2-clark-gruber-andamp-co-quarter-eagle-au58-pcgs-cac-k-1-r4/a/1143-6394.s?ic4=ListView-ShortDescription-071515

  https://coins.ha.com/itm/territorial-gold/territorial-and-fractional-gold/1861-10-clark-gruber-andamp-co-ten-dollar-au50-pcgs-cac/a/1122-3142.s?ic4=ListView-ShortDescription-071515

  https://coins.ha.com/itm/territorial-gold/territorial-and-fractional-gold/1861-5-clark-gruber-andamp-co-five-dollar-k-6-r4-vg10-pcgs-cac/a/1251-7345.s?ic4=GalleryView-Thumbnail-071515

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• MorganMan94 Posts: 1,330 ✭✭✭✭✭

  February 3, 2017 3:32PM

  The main reason I am wondering is this is the piece I am looking at and wondering if these can get into a straight holder can this one? Rim dings seem to be hit or miss as I have seen some this bad in a straight holder and if they are more forgiving on territorial I think a case could be made for this one being straight.
  The three I picked out above are the worst but there are others I didn't post that should be details but are also straight graded.
  

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• steveben Posts: 4,652 ✭✭✭✭✭

  February 3, 2017 5:13PM

  that one seems to be in the right holder. i think if it were in a XF straight graded holder, it would sell for the same price.

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• CascadeChris Posts: 2,529 ✭✭✭✭✭

  February 3, 2017 5:42PM

  @dcarr might be interested in this thread. I wonder if he has a nice collection of some of the old pieces.

  The more you VAM..

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• MorganMan94 Posts: 1,330 ✭✭✭✭✭

  February 3, 2017 5:53PM

  @steveben said:
  that one seems to be in the right holder. i think if it were in a XF straight graded holder, it would sell for the same price.

  I do agree with you, but it seems they grade a lot of these pretty lenient. If I do buy it it will remain in the same holder

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• messydesk Posts: 20,446 ✭✭✭✭✭

  February 3, 2017 5:59PM

  I'm guessing the reason those are in graded holders is that the Genuine/Details Grade designation was not at option then, and perhaps the market was much more forgiving of problems on these. I seriously doubt they'd get a straight grade today when the option is there for the grading service to specify a details grade.

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• Lakesammman Posts: 17,526 ✭✭✭✭✭

  February 3, 2017 6:02PM

  It's been my impression that they are conservative on the one's I submit....

  
  

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• topstuf Posts: 14,803 ✭✭✭✭✭

  February 3, 2017 6:09PM

  I say Lakesammman is ripe for a lynching.

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• Zoins Posts: 34,401 ✭✭✭✭✭

  February 3, 2017 6:29PM edited February 3, 2017 6:31PM

  Wow, those in the OP are jaw dropping!

  Lakesammman's are sweet!

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• ranshdow Posts: 1,445 ✭✭✭✭

  February 3, 2017 8:32PM

  Yeah, these can on occasion be found in sweet condition, but expect to pay up for them. Here's a PCGS MS61 CAC $5 (not mine, cert removed to protect the current owner):
  

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• Boosibri Posts: 12,478 ✭✭✭✭✭

  February 3, 2017 9:22PM

  I loved the look of that MS61 when Doug Winter posted it to inventory

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• ranshdow Posts: 1,445 ✭✭✭✭

  February 4, 2017 7:43AM

  @Boosibri said:
  I loved the look of that MS61 when Doug Winter posted it to inventory

  So you didn't buy it... a shame, it would have complemented your collection very well I think. But $15k...

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• 2ltdjorn Posts: 2,329 ✭✭✭✭

  February 4, 2017 3:27PM

  I would be happy to have any example in my collection, the copper trials are neat.

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• Lakesammman Posts: 17,526 ✭✭✭✭✭

  February 5, 2017 6:47AM

  Here's a nice copper version from the Garrett collection.

  

  "My friends who see my collection sometimes ask what something costs. I tell them and they are in awe at my stupidity." (Baccaruda, 12/03).I find it hard to believe that he (Trump) rushed to some hotel to meet girls of loose morals, although ours are undoubtedly the best in the world. (Putin 1/17) Gone but not forgotten. IGWT, Speedy, Bear, BigE, HokieFore, John Burns, Russ, TahoeDale, Dahlonega, Astrorat, Stewart Blay, Oldhoopster, Broadstruck, Ricko, Big Moose, Cardinal.

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• Lakesammman Posts: 17,526 ✭✭✭✭✭

  February 5, 2017 6:48AM

  Strange - I can't see my posted pictures this AM......can you?

  "My friends who see my collection sometimes ask what something costs. I tell them and they are in awe at my stupidity." (Baccaruda, 12/03).I find it hard to believe that he (Trump) rushed to some hotel to meet girls of loose morals, although ours are undoubtedly the best in the world. (Putin 1/17) Gone but not forgotten. IGWT, Speedy, Bear, BigE, HokieFore, John Burns, Russ, TahoeDale, Dahlonega, Astrorat, Stewart Blay, Oldhoopster, Broadstruck, Ricko, Big Moose, Cardinal.

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• MorganMan94 Posts: 1,330 ✭✭✭✭✭

  February 5, 2017 7:30AM

  I can see them

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• Lakesammman Posts: 17,526 ✭✭✭✭✭

  February 5, 2017 11:22AM

  I can see them now as well - are they being screened by someone??

  "My friends who see my collection sometimes ask what something costs. I tell them and they are in awe at my stupidity." (Baccaruda, 12/03).I find it hard to believe that he (Trump) rushed to some hotel to meet girls of loose morals, although ours are undoubtedly the best in the world. (Putin 1/17) Gone but not forgotten. IGWT, Speedy, Bear, BigE, HokieFore, John Burns, Russ, TahoeDale, Dahlonega, Astrorat, Stewart Blay, Oldhoopster, Broadstruck, Ricko, Big Moose, Cardinal.

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• Insider2 Posts: 14,452 ✭✭✭✭✭

  February 6, 2017 9:07AM

  YES! A thousand times YES. Thanks all for posting multi-proof! At least one gold pattern in a major collection sold over a decade ago was actually DAMAGED beyond belief yet it received a straight grade. I will not name the coin or the TPGS so believe it or not. It was not PCGS.

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