I think I Just Hit The Mother Load
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I think it's DDO-004 ( Coppercoins ) ..
Here's the link to Coppercoins .
http://www.coppercoins.com/lincoln/diestate.php?date=1972&die_id=1972p1do004&die_state=eds
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I am not an expert of 1972 doubled die cents, but from what I've seen and read, I don't think that you have found "the right " doubled die.
According to an article I read years ago there was an old guy at the mint who said that he had found a way to sink cent dies faster. He put his plan into practice using the working hubs that were used to make modern coin dies. The result was a large number of 1972 doubled die cent varieties including the one that brings the big bucks. The story was when the old guy found out his plan had failed he had a fatal heart attack.
At any rate that are a number of 1972 cents with doubling. The one that's worth the big bucks is this one. The Photos are from Heritage Auctions. As you can see the doubling is quite dramatic
Motherload, maybe not. However, it does look like a minor DDO--from the motto alone. I'm not even positive that it's DDO-004--some of the die markers don't match exactly. Still, it looks like a DDO. I'm no expert, but it looks good to me.
Tom
Grade for grade, , DDO-004 tops the list for 72, at least for top price for this year ........
$3,000.00 for MS-65 ..
Looks like MD to me.
I see all the markers in the side by side, but the date is not the same. The ones in the date are in different positions as are the two's.
bob
I'll be at the Polish Show next month with the Coneca Boys . I'm going to take down the close up of the " 72 " there no closeups on the site, so why post them,
That is the Correct answer, at first ( 1970s ) that's what these were known as, then as time went on, other things happened to make it DDO-004 and so on ...
DDO#7 if that is a die dot between Lincolns lips. Can't tell for sure, but it looks like it.
It may be a #007, small die gouge beneath the "R" in Liberty matches up with Wexler's example. Looks very similar; but hard to tell. Does your example match up with any of the die markers for #004 on obverse, or, reverse? I see CONECA has 10 different DDO's, and Wexler has 25 different. Definitely a DDO Rick, and great find! Look forward to what you find out.
http://varietyvista.com/01b LC Doubled Dies Vol 2/DDO 1972.htm
http://www.doubleddie.com/384301.html
A check john site and the " E " between the first one second bar is doubled, mine isn't and the date isn't doubled on the top of the bar on the " 2 " either, like mine .
It's interesting how the value flips with the 001 and the 004. In MS65 the 004 is worth much more. In lower grades it's not.
Fun coin.
Will all those who jumped me for using "source" as a verb instead of a noun please jump on "load" for "lode"
Thenk you......
I think it's #7 but I am hoping for you that is is #4.
Fingers crossed!
Die #4 is the "BIG ONE". It is believed that because of the rim cuds, that the die didn't last long. However, I'm not seeing the rim cuds on your coin to the left of "LIBERTY". That's the main die marker for DD#4..
Definitely a ddo, but I think there are enough differences that I think its not DDO 004.
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I'll be posting some side by sides of " Markers " on the Reverse for Wexler #7 .
Let's start with a Stage A marker: A small die gouge can be found just above the roof of the Memorial and below the N of UNUM. None of that going on .
Here's some side by sides of " Markers " on for Stage C: The reverse die has been heavily abraded. The Stage B die gouge at the U of UNITED is still visible. Significant die scratches include a die scratch extending NW from the top of the left cornice, a die scratch extending southeast from the bottom of the S in PLURIBUS, and a die scratch extending ESE from the right side of the Memorial roof above the right cornice. None of that going on either .
I also took new images with side by sides with Wexler #4 .
I'll be posting them shortly .
I'll be posting some of the images for the markers, in the morning .
If your coin is something valuable, it's a mother lode! A mother load is something I might find in my bidet.
http://www.shieldnickels.net
Watersport is the die 4 variety expert here on the forums. He has stated that if the Lincoln has a die dot between the lips, then it is the die 7. All die 7's he has viewed have this attribute. I submitted the first die 4 that PCGS attributed. (MS64BN) We both know a little about this subject. If you will look, I think you will find that yours has the dot.
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There are also some characteristic die scratches that run south east from the N in UNITED on die 4.
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Looks like die 4....not sure about the mother lode.... certainly not the big one as BillJones has demonstrated. Cheers, RickO
I think people are confusing "value" with the "stength of doubling."
Clearly, the die 1 is the big doubled die in terms of dramatic doubling and popularity.
Most coin collectors are probably not aware (or even care) that there are 8 more significant doubled die obverses for the date, just from the Philadelphia mint alone. They are also recognized by PCGS and required in the complete variety registry.
Now, to a specialist or avid Lincoln cent variety collector, the die 4 is a very special coin indeed. While rather insignificant in strength of doubling, it has always commanded big bucks for those looking to complete a set of 1972 ddo's. This is because not many are known; it is a very scarce variety, many times the rarity of a 1972 ddo die 1.
More have certainly cropped up as this knowledge has spread to more mainstream collectors over the last couple of years, but it is worth more gram to gram than its big brother in comparable grade.
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Heritage archive shows only one die-4 1972 Lincoln. It was an auction from 2011, and judging by the price it brought (276.00), I suspect it was misattributed. Die 4 is very, very scarce. I think there are too many things missing from your variety.
Here's a shot of the lips .
The dot in the lips would suggest die #7.
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Looks like MD to me.
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Not to be rude, but clearly this is not mechanical doubling. Anyone with a mild understanding of hub doubling can see the split serifs in the OP's coin. The pics are pretty good. The issue is whether or not it is the valuable die 4, which commands a huge premium over a normal coin (sometimes in the 4 figure range.) The added pics which show the dot between Lincoln's lips is a diagnostic of the more common die 7.
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I was giving Mr1874 the benefit of the doubt that in this case MD stood for master doubling and not machine doubling. Once upon a time Die #4 was the CONECA designation for the master DDO.
Sean Reynolds
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