Thats to bad ...while although i have matched another coin i have to all required die markers ...of the ddo#1 i think this is #2 according to wexler...but i am in it for the hunting..lol
Unfortunately, I agree with Gonzer. Tricky lighting has produced images of doubling, but most likely mechanical doubling (which plagues many late 60s, early 70s cents.)
This is certainly not the one you are hoping it is. The 1969-s is very rare, probably less than 20 known. It will have a big spread everywhere on the coin, even the date which doesnt show on your coin.
In the condition of your coin, it would bring probably $30-40k! Keep up the hunt!
Dead Cat Waltz Exonumia
"Coin collecting for outcasts..."
Below is the description of the 69-S DDO-2 from the CONECA Variety Vista website.
1969-S
DDO-002
Designation:
2-O-V-CW from K-9
Description:
Strong spread but weak doubling on upper first 96 of date
Grade:
MS63
Population:
2
I don't see the doubling on the 69 on yours. It does look like the G and O of GOD are significantly doubled. Possibly an unknown ddo for the date? Machine doubling? Only sure way to know is to send the coin to James Wiles or Wexler for attribution. Wiles can be reached at jameswiles@sbcglobal.net. His cost to attribute is minimal. A discovery piece would be cool. Good luck to you!
I may have been too hasty in my reply but still this is not the 'big one' for the date. However, the images do show doubling on the 'G' and 'O' which are unlike the usual flat mechanical doubling normally found on a 69-S. Clearer photos would be a great help.
I build my oiwn macro photography tools including making adjustments to lens placments...ive got a few pics coming...ill capture the diagnostic die markers....for Ob. and Rv....lighting is difficult...research has led me to some key points in capturing the doubled image in dd coins...while machine doubling...often miss attributed...is relativly. Plain to the unaided eye...varying lighting plays little to see MD...actual DD are opticly decieving ...as moat hqce warched im sure...the v2ideos of othher ddo on utube..they roll or rock coin on axis-is...depending on type etc..if you disregard the optic princopals...(.LINE O SIGHT SHADOWING $ DEPTH )89% of coins show only what an expert conceptiualizEd. Misleading and muddying the numnismatic waters further...*** images with die markers to follow--- ")
The next couple are of short die gauge under right t in liberty..the angle just captures the beginning of marker but its deff. Visable..i will have better quality shots within hour
or so
Sorry about previous mispellings...the confusing lettering should read:: "As most were iam sure...the videos of other {ddo°s} on youtube..they roll or rock the slabbed coin on an axis-that is in relation to class of doubling etc..if you disregard basic optic principals...(.LINE O SIGHT SHADOWING & DEPTH ) its easy to see why 89% of coins shown are only what an expert conceptiualizEd. ..not of what the eye/optic percieves...this is why even in pictures of true doubled die coins you can turn or rotate them just as the videos show and see the image change
Rather than posting pics here by the thousands, you should send it to a CONECA attributor. It is $4 for members ($5 for non-members) plus return postage. If it is "something" they can assign the variety to you as discoverer. You will not get an attribution here except encouragement to take it further or throw it back in change.
Thanks all for great feed back...i believe its something too i got few.more pic i show with matching die mrks. For the ddo1...but i also either assume its like ken potter's MD With True ddo or..its a triple?? This is grey area for me..!
This i didnt see till today...amazing and confusing
Die by t in lib
I din;t think it's #2 either, but a few of the pictures make it look like a doubled die, while othesr do not.
Most interesting coin. I would certainly like to examine it.
James Wiles with Coneca or John Wexler are the two foremost names. Both are extremely reputable.
I have had flawless dealings/correspondence with both.
I have been debating and are there any down sides to either or is it merely prefrence/turnaround time??...i wouldnt say im a novice hunter...but i dont have more than a few yrs under my belt and to be perfectly honest ive had some of the big varieties for some time ....i shhould have you all look at the 58 i have...
@Esoeso said:
I have been debating and are there any down sides to either or is it merely prefrence/turnaround time??...i wouldnt say im a novice hunter...but i dont have more than a few yrs under my belt and to be perfectly honest ive had some of the big varieties for some time ....i shhould have you all look at the 58 i have...
Ummm, yes. Post your 1958 ddo
(3 known)
Dead Cat Waltz Exonumia
"Coin collecting for outcasts..."
Ill have some up shortly of the 58 ....ive looked at most options of what it could be other than a dd and well what do you guys think...<[pics coming]>
You need to tighten up your images, here's to examples of what I'm talking about .
The first one is with a very loose image of the designers signature ,
Here's the same image and designers signature too, this is also the correct way it suppose look
Comments
I can get better angles too
As a previous owner of one I can absolutely say "Nope".
Very hard to confirm from those photographs.... Cheers, RickO
Thats to bad ...while although i have matched another coin i have to all required die markers ...of the ddo#1 i think this is #2 according to wexler...but i am in it for the hunting..lol
Unfortunately, I agree with Gonzer. Tricky lighting has produced images of doubling, but most likely mechanical doubling (which plagues many late 60s, early 70s cents.)
This is certainly not the one you are hoping it is. The 1969-s is very rare, probably less than 20 known. It will have a big spread everywhere on the coin, even the date which doesnt show on your coin.
In the condition of your coin, it would bring probably $30-40k! Keep up the hunt!
Dead Cat Waltz Exonumia
"Coin collecting for outcasts..."
Below is the description of the 69-S DDO-2 from the CONECA Variety Vista website.
1969-S
DDO-002
Designation:
2-O-V-CW from K-9
Description:
Strong spread but weak doubling on upper first 96 of date
Grade:
MS63
Population:
2
I don't see the doubling on the 69 on yours. It does look like the G and O of GOD are significantly doubled. Possibly an unknown ddo for the date? Machine doubling? Only sure way to know is to send the coin to James Wiles or Wexler for attribution. Wiles can be reached at jameswiles@sbcglobal.net. His cost to attribute is minimal. A discovery piece would be cool. Good luck to you!
I may have been too hasty in my reply but still this is not the 'big one' for the date. However, the images do show doubling on the 'G' and 'O' which are unlike the usual flat mechanical doubling normally found on a 69-S. Clearer photos would be a great help.
I build my oiwn macro photography tools including making adjustments to lens placments...ive got a few pics coming...ill capture the diagnostic die markers....for Ob. and Rv....lighting is difficult...research has led me to some key points in capturing the doubled image in dd coins...while machine doubling...often miss attributed...is relativly. Plain to the unaided eye...varying lighting plays little to see MD...actual DD are opticly decieving ...as moat hqce warched im sure...the v2ideos of othher ddo on utube..they roll or rock coin on axis-is...depending on type etc..if you disregard the optic princopals...(.LINE O SIGHT SHADOWING $ DEPTH )89% of coins show only what an expert conceptiualizEd. Misleading and muddying the numnismatic waters further...*** images with die markers to follow--- ")
Say whaaaa?
Dead Cat Waltz Exonumia
"Coin collecting for outcasts..."
The next couple are of short die gauge under right t in liberty..the angle just captures the beginning of marker but its deff. Visable..i will have better quality shots within hour
or so
Sorry about previous mispellings...the confusing lettering should read:: "As most were iam sure...the videos of other {ddo°s} on youtube..they roll or rock the slabbed coin on an axis-that is in relation to class of doubling etc..if you disregard basic optic principals...(.LINE O SIGHT SHADOWING & DEPTH ) its easy to see why 89% of coins shown are only what an expert conceptiualizEd. ..not of what the eye/optic percieves...this is why even in pictures of true doubled die coins you can turn or rotate them just as the videos show and see the image change
Zoom out, take about 10x off the photos.
Something's there and I don't believe it is the lighting. Keep us informed.
Those last pics sure do not look machine doubled. You have something there by golly!
I am glad you think so, but I will abstain until we have better photos. Good luck!
Rather than posting pics here by the thousands, you should send it to a CONECA attributor. It is $4 for members ($5 for non-members) plus return postage. If it is "something" they can assign the variety to you as discoverer. You will not get an attribution here except encouragement to take it further or throw it back in change.
BTW, I am a CONECA attributor.
Thanks all for great feed back...i believe its something too i got few.more pic i show with matching die mrks. For the ddo1...but i also either assume its like ken potter's MD With True ddo or..its a triple?? This is grey area for me..!
This i didnt see till today...amazing and confusing
Die by t in lib
sorry its not the "big" one. That one you can see the doubling with the naked eye like the 55 DDO
Many members on this forum that now it cannot fit in my signature. Please ask for entire list.
Instead of taking all these what I call blind images, just match them to Coneca DDO-002 .
http://varietyvista.com/01b LC Doubled Dies Vol 2/1969SDDO002.htm
Send it in and update us with the results. Does not appear to be DDO 2 to me as the G and O don't match.
I will be sending in after holidays ..ill be sure to keepu all updated...if anyone has ideas let me know what they think and who is most reputable..
I din;t think it's #2 either, but a few of the pictures make it look like a doubled die, while othesr do not.
Most interesting coin. I would certainly like to examine it.
James Wiles with Coneca or John Wexler are the two foremost names. Both are extremely reputable.
I have had flawless dealings/correspondence with both.
Send to Wexler. He will attribute and add it to the site if it is in fact a doubled die.
Dead Cat Waltz Exonumia
"Coin collecting for outcasts..."
So will Wiles and then it is in CONECA.
I have been debating and are there any down sides to either or is it merely prefrence/turnaround time??...i wouldnt say im a novice hunter...but i dont have more than a few yrs under my belt and to be perfectly honest ive had some of the big varieties for some time ....i shhould have you all look at the 58 i have...
Ummm, yes. Post your 1958 ddo
(3 known)
Dead Cat Waltz Exonumia
"Coin collecting for outcasts..."
Does not look like MD in my opinion.
Ill have some up shortly of the 58 ....ive looked at most options of what it could be other than a dd and well what do you guys think...<[pics coming]>
I think i notice what i see as abrasion. In IGWT but something has always told me hang on to this coin ") i started new post for this
You need to tighten up your images, here's to examples of what I'm talking about .

The first one is with a very loose image of the designers signature ,
Here's the same image and designers signature too, this is also the correct way it suppose look