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2016 Gold Mercury Dime "Available Again."

Just received an email from the mint. The gold mercury dime will again be available for purchase beginning December, 15 at noon.

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  • davewesendavewesen Posts: 6,665 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I am glad and will probably get one.

  • OuthaulOuthaul Posts: 7,440 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Probably returns.

  • $200, what was it before?

  • stevebensteveben Posts: 4,638 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @silvereagleproof said:
    $200, what was it before?

    205

  • CascadeChrisCascadeChris Posts: 2,529 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Full bands anyone? :sweat_smile:

    The more you VAM..
  • WalkerfanWalkerfan Posts: 9,747 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I thought this was a sellout??

    If they are offering add'l pieces; it is unfair to collectors.

    Sometimes, it’s better to be LUCKY than good. 🍀 🍺👍

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  • cruisersk1cruisersk1 Posts: 190 ✭✭✭

    Pretty sure this is the 8900 odd coins they had left.

  • jwittenjwitten Posts: 5,235 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Walkerfan said:
    I thought this was a sellout??

    If they are offering add'l pieces; it is unfair to collectors.

    Never truly sold out. There were some left, plus returns, etc.

  • TomBTomB Posts: 22,080 ✭✭✭✭✭

    These are likely all returns or coins that were ordered, but for whatever reason, never shipped out. I would be concerned about the general quality of this batch.

    Thomas Bush Numismatics & Numismatic Photography

    In honor of the memory of Cpl. Michael E. Thompson

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  • ChrisH821ChrisH821 Posts: 6,735 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I might pick one up to complete the set.

    Collector, occasional seller

  • I am thinking a lot of the flippers returned any they could after cherry picking the 70's

  • stevebensteveben Posts: 4,638 ✭✭✭✭✭

    how do we know they aren't newly minted?

  • BillJonesBillJones Posts: 34,814 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @TomB said:
    These are likely all returns or coins that were ordered, but for whatever reason, never shipped out. I would be concerned about the general quality of this batch.

    I bought an Uncirculated MacAuthor $5 gold coin late in the year from an offer like this, it was more than likely a reject that had been returned. There were more than the usual share of marks on it.

    Retired dealer and avid collector of U.S. type coins, 19th century presidential campaign medalets and selected medals. In recent years I have been working on a set of British coins - at least one coin from each king or queen who issued pieces that are collectible. I am also collecting at least one coin for each Roman emperor from Julius Caesar to ... ?
  • davewesendavewesen Posts: 6,665 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @learningcoins said:
    I am thinking a lot of the flippers returned any they could after cherry picking the 70's

    What percentage of flippers can reliably cherry pick 70's?

  • TomBTomB Posts: 22,080 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @steveben said:
    how do we know they aren't newly minted?

    I believe the US Mint had the entire authorized mintage already minted and then they sold out in the first day, if I recall correctly. These would then be returns or coins left behind for some reason.

    Thomas Bush Numismatics & Numismatic Photography

    In honor of the memory of Cpl. Michael E. Thompson

    image
  • PerryHallPerryHall Posts: 46,851 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I bet more than a few are returns due to problems with the coin.

    Worry is the interest you pay on a debt you may not owe.
    "Paper money eventually returns to its intrinsic value---zero."----Voltaire
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  • WalkerfanWalkerfan Posts: 9,747 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @BillJones said:

    @TomB said:
    These are likely all returns or coins that were ordered, but for whatever reason, never shipped out. I would be concerned about the general quality of this batch.

    I bought an Uncirculated MacAuthor $5 gold coin late in the year from an offer like this, it was more than likely a reject that had been returned. There were more than the usual share of marks on it.

    This, too, would be unfair and undesirable to collectors....

    Sometimes, it’s better to be LUCKY than good. 🍀 🍺👍

    My Full Walker Registry Set (1916-1947):

    https://www.ngccoin.com/registry/competitive-sets/16292/

  • PTVETTERPTVETTER Posts: 6,025 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I can't believe the mint is doing this.
    You now can't trust the government or the mint?

    Pat Vetter,Mercury Dime registry set,1938 Proof set registry,Pat & BJ Coins:724-325-7211


  • hchcoinhchcoin Posts: 4,837 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I actually like the idea of letting people buy the left overs right before the holidays. I might ask my wife to get me one for Christmas B)

  • CascadeChrisCascadeChris Posts: 2,529 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Walkerfan said:
    I thought this was a sellout??

    If they are offering add'l pieces; it is unfair to collectors.

    No. There were returns and cancellations after the initial sellout and the mint said they were holding on to them until they figured out a fair way to disperse them. This was when they still thought it was a hot item. Looks like we now know what they decided to do.

    I was sure they would do a 3-piece set for Christmas. Looks like I was wrong on that.

    The more you VAM..
  • stevebensteveben Posts: 4,638 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @TomB said:

    @steveben said:
    how do we know they aren't newly minted?

    I believe the US Mint had the entire authorized mintage already minted and then they sold out in the first day, if I recall correctly. These would then be returns or coins left behind for some reason.

    isn't that circumstantial? i am not trying to be difficult, but i am wondering if anyone knows for sure these are returned defective.

  • COCollectorCOCollector Posts: 1,346 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited December 13, 2016 6:39PM

    Well, at least this time they set a Household Order Limit that makes sense to me. (Limit is one.)

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  • Hh limit 1, many of them are customer returns, really need some good luck to get 70.

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  • davewesendavewesen Posts: 6,665 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @NeoclassicalAnalyst said:
    Hh limit 1, many of them are customer returns, really need some good luck to get 70.

    I want mine in original mint packaging.

  • TomBTomB Posts: 22,080 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @steveben said:

    @TomB said:

    @steveben said:
    how do we know they aren't newly minted?

    I believe the US Mint had the entire authorized mintage already minted and then they sold out in the first day, if I recall correctly. These would then be returns or coins left behind for some reason.

    isn't that circumstantial? i am not trying to be difficult, but i am wondering if anyone knows for sure these are returned defective.

    I never stated they were defective, but rather stated they were returns. Perhaps someone else stated they were defective. Returns can and do happen for any number of reasons including pre-screening for potential 70 grades, sitting on hot issues to see the direction of the market as well as returning coins with issues.

    Thomas Bush Numismatics & Numismatic Photography

    In honor of the memory of Cpl. Michael E. Thompson

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  • MilesWaitsMilesWaits Posts: 5,426 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Even the Mercury PCGS 70s have shown to be suspect in "70" quality as noted by dealers and collectors.
    I have got the raw versions that I want and will stand firm with those.

    Now riding the swell in PM's and surf.
  • PerryHallPerryHall Posts: 46,851 ✭✭✭✭✭

    The original government packaging is quite attractive and I see no need to get any modern commemoratives slabbed. What the US Mint charges is high enough without adding the expensive of getting them slabbed.

    Worry is the interest you pay on a debt you may not owe.
    "Paper money eventually returns to its intrinsic value---zero."----Voltaire
    "Everything you say should be true, but not everything true should be said."----Voltaire

  • rickoricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I did not care for them when first released, and still do not care for them... to me, it is a poor copy - even less - of the original. Cheers, RickO

  • TwoSides2aCoinTwoSides2aCoin Posts: 44,615 ✭✭✭✭✭

    24k. Tenth ounce of gold, however vilified and made impure . LOL
    With eBay, they will be forever available.

  • rickoricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭

    With eBay, they will be forever available.>

    And at cheaper prices..... Cheers, RickO

  • CascadeChrisCascadeChris Posts: 2,529 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @steveben said:

    @TomB said:

    @steveben said:
    how do we know they aren't newly minted?

    I believe the US Mint had the entire authorized mintage already minted and then they sold out in the first day, if I recall correctly. These would then be returns or coins left behind for some reason.

    isn't that circumstantial? i am not trying to be difficult, but i am wondering if anyone knows for sure these are returned defective.

    There was no "authorized mitage" these were struck under the bullion law which does not require an act of Congress. They can strike as many as they like so who knows if these are previously struck and not sold or returns or if they struck a new batch.

    The more you VAM..
  • CaptHenwayCaptHenway Posts: 32,749 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @PerryHall said:
    The original government packaging is quite attractive and I see no need to get any modern commemoratives slabbed. What the US Mint charges is high enough without adding the expensive of getting them slabbed.

    Agreed.

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  • dorancoinsdorancoins Posts: 2,091 ✭✭✭

    Thought about ordering me one but will wait a while until prices stabilize. I believe that gold will go lower in the not so distant future and to me that would be the best time to buy.

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  • AMRCAMRC Posts: 4,280 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @davewesen said:

    @learningcoins said:
    I am thinking a lot of the flippers returned any they could after cherry picking the 70's

    What percentage of flippers can reliably cherry pick 70's?

    This is the winning post on this thread!

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  • BigABigA Posts: 2,715 ✭✭✭✭

    @CascadeChris said:

    @steveben said:

    @TomB said:

    @steveben said:
    how do we know they aren't newly minted?

    I believe the US Mint had the entire authorized mintage already minted and then they sold out in the first day, if I recall correctly. These would then be returns or coins left behind for some reason.

    isn't that circumstantial? i am not trying to be difficult, but i am wondering if anyone knows for sure these are returned defective.

    There was no "authorized mitage" these were struck under the bullion law which does not require an act of Congress. They can strike as many as they like so who knows if these are previously struck and not sold or returns or if they struck a new batch.

    Mintage was (is) limited to 125,000. They have 9000 left.

    http://www.coinworld.com/news/us-coins/2016/07/thousands-of-gold-mercury-dimes-remain-unsold.all.html

  • CascadeChrisCascadeChris Posts: 2,529 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited December 14, 2016 11:42AM

    @BigA said:

    @CascadeChris said:

    @steveben said:

    @TomB said:

    @steveben said:
    how do we know they aren't newly minted?

    I believe the US Mint had the entire authorized mintage already minted and then they sold out in the first day, if I recall correctly. These would then be returns or coins left behind for some reason.

    isn't that circumstantial? i am not trying to be difficult, but i am wondering if anyone knows for sure these are returned defective.

    There was no "authorized mitage" these were struck under the bullion law which does not require an act of Congress. They can strike as many as they like so who knows if these are previously struck and not sold or returns or if they struck a new batch.

    Mintage was (is) limited to 125,000. They have 9000 left.

    http://www.coinworld.com/news/us-coins/2016/07/thousands-of-gold-mercury-dimes-remain-unsold.all.html

    Sure but that was a self imposed limit. There was no limit authorized by Congress. They can easily strike more if they wish. That's why we didn't get a silver version. That would have required congressional authorization....

    http://www.coinweek.com/dealers-companies/monaco/the-2016-centennial-gold-coin-program-an-analysis/

    The more you VAM..
  • BigABigA Posts: 2,715 ✭✭✭✭

    Self imposed? That is what it is...125k. Self imposed or not...125k

  • CascadeChrisCascadeChris Posts: 2,529 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @BigA said:
    Self imposed? That is what it is...125k. Self imposed or not...125k

    It means they can change it and up the mintage if they like. Simple as that. With a congressional mandate they are beholden to the limit.

    The more you VAM..
  • BigABigA Posts: 2,715 ✭✭✭✭

    So the "mintage limit" that is put on each coin, in your mind, is just a starting point and totally meaningless?

    I've seen coins sell out way less that the stated limit but I can't say I've seen one have a limit revised upward and sell more.

  • bluelobsterbluelobster Posts: 1,220 ✭✭✭

    They are not going to strike more than their limit, to suggest otherwise is just silly.

  • northcoinnorthcoin Posts: 4,987 ✭✭✭✭✭

    With gold now dipping and approaching $1,100 this morning, is the Mint obligated to reduce the price of these next week and if so by how much if that is where the price of gold closes at today? I vaguely recall something about Thursday being the determinative day.

  • CascadeChrisCascadeChris Posts: 2,529 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @BigA said:
    So the "mintage limit" that is put on each coin, in your mind, is just a starting point and totally meaningless?

    I've seen coins sell out way less that the stated limit but I can't say I've seen one have a limit revised upward and sell more.

    This is not a coin authorized by Congress, it is technically a bullion piece. Although a strange hybrid of sorts. Yes they can strike more if they wish. This whole offering and the way it was handled was a joke. I was anticipating it for an entire year only to be quickly bummed out with how they handeled the whole thing from that to its size to the hideous design of the dime. Although the designs of the second two were markedly better, this entire commemoration offering was handled poorly from start to finish. Rant over but to answer your question, if they were a huge hit and the mint wanted to strike more than the 125k they initially intended then they could Very easily do so and you can bet your last dollar they would have.

    The more you VAM..
  • davewesendavewesen Posts: 6,665 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @northcoin said:
    With gold now dipping and approaching $1,100 this morning, is the Mint obligated to reduce the price of these next week and if so by how much if that is where the price of gold closes at today? I vaguely recall something about Thursday being the determinative day.

    I do not know the answer, the chart says average price... but could be $195 soon
    https://catalog.usmint.gov/on/demandware.static/-/Sites-USM-Library/default/dw094eed1e/images/PDFs/2016-Pricing-Grid-Numismatic-Gold-and-Platinum.pdf

  • davewesendavewesen Posts: 6,665 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @NeoclassicalAnalyst said:
    Hh limit 1, many of them are customer returns, really need some good luck to get 70.

    Website says household limit also includes first release - wasn't limit then 10?

  • jmski52jmski52 Posts: 23,264 ✭✭✭✭✭

    And...............they're gone.

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    I knew it would happen.
  • VanHalenVanHalen Posts: 4,330 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @BigA said:
    So the "mintage limit" that is put on each coin, in your mind, is just a starting point and totally meaningless?

    I've seen coins sell out way less that the stated limit but I can't say I've seen one have a limit revised upward and sell more.

    The announced mintage limit is the maximum and is not exceeded. The mint does not establish a mintage limit and then decide later to revise it upward.

  • BigABigA Posts: 2,715 ✭✭✭✭

    @VanHalen said:

    @BigA said:
    So the "mintage limit" that is put on each coin, in your mind, is just a starting point and totally meaningless?

    I've seen coins sell out way less that the stated limit but I can't say I've seen one have a limit revised upward and sell more.

    The announced mintage limit is the maximum and is not exceeded. The mint does not establish a mintage limit and then decide later to revise it upward.

    I agree...it was a comment to a contrary belief

  • sold out now

  • BigABigA Posts: 2,715 ✭✭✭✭

    Yup....only available for a tad over an hour

  • MilesWaitsMilesWaits Posts: 5,426 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @BigA said:
    Yup....only available for a tad over an hour

    There ya go, the gnashing of the teeth can cease.

    Now riding the swell in PM's and surf.

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