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2016 Merc, SLQ, and Walker - The way it should have been...your opinion?

OuthaulOuthaul Posts: 7,440 ✭✭✭✭✭
edited November 17, 2016 7:03AM in U.S. Coin Forum

I still say that the best way to promote these things would have been for Congress to approve a business strike for circulation (in clad) of the 1916 dime, quarter, and half for the year only and also strike them in silver (proof/unc) for collectors. These off-metal strikes mean absolutely nothing.

Just my eversohumble opinion.

Cheers

Bob

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    oih82w8oih82w8 Posts: 13,235 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I wholeheartedly agree! It would have stimulated new/old interest in coin collecting. Oh well, more for the picking for us present day collectors.

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    ms70ms70 Posts: 13,958 ✭✭✭✭✭

    That would've been fun but they're too busy making sure no two quarters are alike.

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    morgandollar1878morgandollar1878 Posts: 4,006 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I think that would have been a great idea

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    JBNJBN Posts: 2,009 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Agreed. And far more affordable for collectors.

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    KudbegudKudbegud Posts: 4,735 ✭✭✭✭✭

    At the very least if business strikes in clad for circulation weren't made there should have been silver versions. Unc and Pf. Maybe even special Unc and Pf sets with these in silver. Then if they wanted to make gold ones OK. But as singles and a three coin set.


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    MsMorrisineMsMorrisine Posts: 40,134 ✭✭✭✭✭

    yes, enough gold to make them full size.

    3/4 oz for half like kennedy for example.

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    TomBTomB Posts: 23,217 ✭✭✭✭✭

    If they had been authorized to make these to the original specifications of diameter, thickness, weight and purity in silver along with open-ended sales and the option of a three-coin display holder then I would imagine that there would have been an avalanche of sales. It might not have been a flipper's paradise, but collectors could have purchased as many as they wanted and no doubt many folks would have done just that. Also, the USM would have garnered some nice public relations and the bottom line would not have been hurt, either.

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    DIMEMANDIMEMAN Posts: 22,403 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Outhaul said:
    I still say that the best way to promote these things would have been for Congress to approve a business strike for circulation (in clad) of the 1916 dime, quarter, and half for the year only and also strike them in silver (proof/unc) for collectors. These off-metal strikes mean absolutely nothing.

    Just my eversohumble opinion.

    Cheers

    Bob

    I totally agree and would have loved this approach. They could have been added to the Complete Registry sets this way.

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    BillJonesBillJones Posts: 35,960 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November 17, 2016 2:34PM

    There was probably more money to be made by the Mint with the coins struck in gold. The mint also figured that they might attract more big spenders with those coins in gold.

    Those coins in silver Proof and the Matte Like finish Uncirculated in silver with really sharp depictions of the designs would have been very nice. The designs as presented on the Mercury Dime and Standing Liberty quarter were "mushy." The Mercury dime should have had split bans.

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    RogerBRogerB Posts: 8,852 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Congress would have had to authorize any silver issue, and we all know how long it takes Congress to do anything even this minor.

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    BUFFNIXXBUFFNIXX Posts: 2,766 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I think it would have been better to issue these in silver instead of gold and more collectors could have afforded a set.
    I bought the Merc dime and the SL quarter but have held back on the WL half because of the cost. But in the end I will
    probably get one.

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    BUFFNIXXBUFFNIXX Posts: 2,766 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Would have been great if in 1913 they had made silver buffalo nickels both types one and types two. And maybe a set of six in silver with both s, d, and no mintmarks. just dreaming!!

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    MilesWaitsMilesWaits Posts: 5,599 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I would've loved to of seen them made in platinum and Palladium and maybe even rhodium.

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    BackroadJunkieBackroadJunkie Posts: 3,745 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @RogerB said:
    Congress would have had to authorize any silver issue, and we all know how long it takes Congress to do anything even this minor.

    Yep.

    And the cynic in me says congress never would have passed the bill (needed for silver coinage) in an election year, nor would the president have signed it unless he got some god awful legislation included.

    The gold versions are probably the closest you'll get during the 100th anniversary.

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    stevebensteveben Posts: 4,666 ✭✭✭✭✭

    just about any other way would have been a better way to promote these coins. what was the plan anyway? :)

    i think it would have been awesome if they issued the 2016 dimes and quarters with their 1916 designs, for this year only. since half dollars don't really circulate any more...they could have released a three coin set in silver for collectors, that includes the half dollar.

    that would have been way more interesting...plus the collectors of each series could add a new coin date to their sets. who knows...it may attract other collectors to the original series. oh no, wait... we don't want that do we?

    i can't figure the mint out.

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    koynekwestkoynekwest Posts: 10,048 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Agreed.

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    COCollectorCOCollector Posts: 1,430 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November 23, 2016 6:10PM

    @RogerB said:
    Congress would have had to authorize any silver issue, and we all know how long it takes Congress to do anything even this minor.

    Is it too late for a 100th anniversary Peace dollar in 2021?

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    sparky64sparky64 Posts: 7,065 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Yeah, someone over thought this one, IMHO.

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    RogerBRogerB Posts: 8,852 ✭✭✭✭✭

    A 2021 Peace dollar in high relief would seem to be a logical continuation.

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    joecopperjoecopper Posts: 1,195 ✭✭✭

    Agreed

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    CaptHenwayCaptHenway Posts: 34,195 ✭✭✭✭✭

    The shrinking sizes on the 2016 versions vs. the 1916 versions became really noticeable on the half ounce piece. I understand why they wanted to be able to use the gold eagle collars and stuff to keep costs (though not prices) down, but it did diminish the results.

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    CaptHenwayCaptHenway Posts: 34,195 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @RogerB said:
    A 2021 Peace dollar in high relief would seem to be a logical continuation.

    Indeed, but they would probably make it in the one ounce gold eagle size.

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    KudbegudKudbegud Posts: 4,735 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @CaptHenway said:

    @RogerB said:
    A 2021 Peace dollar in high relief would seem to be a logical continuation.

    Indeed, but they would probably make it in the one ounce gold eagle size.

    Should be full size silver


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    BUFFNIXXBUFFNIXX Posts: 2,766 ✭✭✭✭✭

    you are so right. I did buy one of the 2016 gold mercs and the 2016 gold standing liberty but not the half dollar.
    they should have been in the same metal as the circulation strikes. same could have been done with a 2013 buffalo nickel.
    they just blew a great opportunity.

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    TopographicOceansTopographicOceans Posts: 6,535 ✭✭✭✭

    I don't think it would matter.
    The only people who would buy them are coin collectors so changing the strike type wouldn't have brought in any new buyers.

    Most of the buyers were flippers anyway who sold them to the nice people on eBay who aren't smart enough to buy them directly from the Mint.

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    dcarrdcarr Posts: 10,275 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Kudbegud said:

    @CaptHenway said:

    @RogerB said:
    A 2021 Peace dollar in high relief would seem to be a logical continuation.

    Indeed, but they would probably make it in the one ounce gold eagle size.

    Should be full size silver

    The Mint already has tooling for standard silver dollars. All the modern commemorative silver dollars have the same metallic content and dimensions as the Peace Dollars.

    If I were in charge of such things at the US Mint, I would issue a 4-coin set in 2021 which would include:

    "1921-2021" Morgan Silver Dollar;
    "1964" Morgan Silver Dollar using only the original vintage tooling recently discovered in the Philadelphia Mint archives;
    "1921-2021" high-relief Peace Silver Dollar;
    "1964-D" Peace Silver Dollar using only the original vintage tooling recently discovered in the Philadelphia Mint archives.

    The Mint could sell at least a couple hundred thousand such sets very easily.

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    AMRCAMRC Posts: 4,280 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I am getting one of each tomorrow, as well as an UHR G$100. Looking forward to the trio. No boxes however :(

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    MilesWaitsMilesWaits Posts: 5,599 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @AMRC said:
    I am getting one of each tomorrow, as well as an UHR G$100. Looking forward to the trio. No boxes however :(

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    rickoricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Several great ideas here.... and although congress must authorize such things, the Mint Director could certainly submit persuasive justifications (read that profit) to the congressional committee to make this happen. Too late for the 2016 half dollar in silver.... :( but a commemorative set could be justified. Cheers, RickO

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    dtkk49adtkk49a Posts: 2,490 ✭✭✭

    If they made them in clad or silver, you know there are S-bags out there that would have tried to modify them to look like the original coins. I agree with making them in gold, but they should all have been actual size.

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    TwoSides2aCoinTwoSides2aCoin Posts: 45,227 ✭✭✭✭✭

    The problem with lawmakers being in charge is that they are overpaid to be stupid

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    OuthaulOuthaul Posts: 7,440 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @CA5MAN said:
    They should have made them out of Platinum. Gold simply looks silly.

    No way. Silver was the original issued metal and so should have been this trio.

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    COCollectorCOCollector Posts: 1,430 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited December 1, 2016 2:15PM

    @AMRC said:
    I am getting one of each tomorrow, as well as an UHR G$100. Looking forward to the trio. No boxes however :(

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    OverdateOverdate Posts: 7,320 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @dcarr said:
    If I were in charge of such things at the US Mint, I would issue a 4-coin set in 2021 which would include:

    "1921-2021" Morgan Silver Dollar;
    "1964" Morgan Silver Dollar using only the original vintage tooling recently discovered in the Philadelphia Mint archives;
    "1921-2021" high-relief Peace Silver Dollar;
    "1964-D" Peace Silver Dollar using only the original vintage tooling recently discovered in the Philadelphia Mint archives.

    The Mint could sell at least a couple hundred thousand such sets very easily.

    I don't think the Mint should issue back-dated coins. They have done so from time to time in the past, but I think it harms their credibility.

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