Your chance to own both Topps and OPC PSA 10 1979 Gretzky's

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mb2005
mb2005 Posts: 165 ✭✭
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There are 2 Topps PSA 10's (0.0459% of all graded) and 1 OPC PSA 10, (0.03% of all graded) but I have a feeling the final price of the OPC will be more than 2X the Topps. Now is your chance to own both!



PSA 10 1979 Topps Gretzky

PSA 10 1979 OPC Gretzky



I always thought the Topps card was better looking because it often doesn't have the rough cut like a lot of the OPCs.

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  • DanBessette
    DanBessette Posts: 6,421 ✭✭✭
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    Many collectors, myself included, prefer the rough cut on OPC
  • Dpeck100
    Dpeck100 Posts: 10,916 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    The final price on the OPC won't just be more. It will be much more. I think your estimate of two times is low and it could be easily 5 times as much if not more.


  • craig44
    craig44 Posts: 13,163 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    I would much rather have the opc

    George Brett, Roger Clemens and Tommy Brady.

  • baz518
    baz518 Posts: 1,290 ✭✭✭✭
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    That OPC is off center and even appears to have a tilt... while I'd much rather have A Gretzky OPC, I wouldn't wan't THAT Gretzky OPC. Don't collect much hockey, but is it typical for the OPC's to not fill the holder like this one?
  • mlbfan2
    mlbfan2 Posts: 3,115 ✭✭✭
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    Cards weren't meant to have rough cuts.
  • MULLINS5
    MULLINS5 Posts: 4,517 ✭✭✭
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    570k on the OPC
  • Stingray
    Stingray Posts: 8,843 ✭✭✭
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    How long ago was a OPC 10 actually graded?? This is the newest holder so was it recently or just resolve red from an older one??
  • DanBessette
    DanBessette Posts: 6,421 ✭✭✭
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    Originally posted by: mlbfan2

    Cards weren't meant to have rough cuts.




    Actually, when they're cut with wires and not blades, it's inevitable.
  • Gemyanks10
    Gemyanks10 Posts: 1,164 ✭✭✭
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    Originally posted by: mlbfan2
    Cards weren't meant to have rough cuts.



    You're wrong.

    Always looking for OPC "tape intact" baseball wax boxes, and 1984 OPC baseball PSA 10's for my set. Please PM or email me if you have any available.
  • mlbfan2
    mlbfan2 Posts: 3,115 ✭✭✭
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    Originally posted by: DanBessette

    Originally posted by: mlbfan2

    Cards weren't meant to have rough cuts.




    Actually, when they're cut with wires and not blades, it's inevitable.




    Cards weren't meant to have rough cuts, and apparently they weren't meant to be cut with wires either.



  • Gemyanks10
    Gemyanks10 Posts: 1,164 ✭✭✭
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    Originally posted by: mlbfan2
    Originally posted by: DanBessette
    Originally posted by: mlbfan2
    Cards weren't meant to have rough cuts.


    Actually, when they're cut with wires and not blades, it's inevitable.


    Cards weren't meant to have rough cuts, and apparently they weren't meant to be cut with wires either.



    PSA seems to think differently as they use the "rough cut" whether it be major or very minor to determine the authenticity of OPC cards. When there isn't a rough cut, it screams "sheet cut", and speaking only for myself, I wouldn't give you two pennies for a sheet cut OPC card. So with that said, and for the second time.......you're wrong.
    Always looking for OPC "tape intact" baseball wax boxes, and 1984 OPC baseball PSA 10's for my set. Please PM or email me if you have any available.
  • mlbfan2
    mlbfan2 Posts: 3,115 ✭✭✭
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    Originally posted by: Gemyanks10

    Originally posted by: mlbfan2

    Cards weren't meant to have rough cuts.






    You're wrong.







    You are certainly welcome to like rough cut cards, but the fact remains that standard trading cards weren't meant to have them. It's a flaw that OPC either couldn't prevent, or didn't care to.



  • mlbfan2
    mlbfan2 Posts: 3,115 ✭✭✭
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    Originally posted by: Gemyanks10

    Originally posted by: mlbfan2

    Originally posted by: DanBessette

    Originally posted by: mlbfan2

    Cards weren't meant to have rough cuts.




    Actually, when they're cut with wires and not blades, it's inevitable.




    Cards weren't meant to have rough cuts, and apparently they weren't meant to be cut with wires either.







    PSA seems to think differently as they use the "rough cut" whether it be major or very minor to determine the authenticity of OPC cards. When there isn't a rough cut, it screams "sheet cut", and speaking only for myself, I wouldn't give you two pennies for a sheet cut OPC card. So with that said, and for the second time.......you're wrong.





    Lol. You keep wandering off-topic. Of course a rough-cut can be good for determining the authenticity. I never said otherwise. And the who the heck is talking about sheet cut???



    PSA overlooks rough cut OPC cards because the rough cut cards are extremely common. They're the result of an outdated cutting system. Do 2016 OPC cards have them?
  • Gemyanks10
    Gemyanks10 Posts: 1,164 ✭✭✭
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    Originally posted by: mlbfan2
    Originally posted by: Gemyanks10
    Originally posted by: mlbfan2
    Originally posted by: DanBessette
    Originally posted by: mlbfan2
    Cards weren't meant to have rough cuts.


    Actually, when they're cut with wires and not blades, it's inevitable.


    Cards weren't meant to have rough cuts, and apparently they weren't meant to be cut with wires either.



    PSA seems to think differently as they use the "rough cut" whether it be major or very minor to determine the authenticity of OPC cards. When there isn't a rough cut, it screams "sheet cut", and speaking only for myself, I wouldn't give you two pennies for a sheet cut OPC card. So with that said, and for the second time.......you're wrong.


    Lol. Of course a rough-cut can be good for determining the authenticity. I never said otherwise.

    PSA overlooks rough cut OPC cards because the rough cut cards are extremely common. They're the result of an outdated cutting system. Do 2016 OPC cards have them?


    It wasn't an outdated cutting system, it was the only cutting system they ever used in Canada. Even their modern OPC cards up until 1994 when they went out of business had rough cuts. I will agree when you say standard "American" cards weren't meant to have them, but the Canadian process was completely different.

    2016 OPC is irrelevant because they aren't printed in Canada...real OPC became out of print in 1994...

    Always looking for OPC "tape intact" baseball wax boxes, and 1984 OPC baseball PSA 10's for my set. Please PM or email me if you have any available.
  • Gemyanks10
    Gemyanks10 Posts: 1,164 ✭✭✭
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    Oops I posted before you edited yours..
    Always looking for OPC "tape intact" baseball wax boxes, and 1984 OPC baseball PSA 10's for my set. Please PM or email me if you have any available.
  • mlbfan2
    mlbfan2 Posts: 3,115 ✭✭✭
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    Originally posted by: Gemyanks10



    It wasn't an outdated cutting system, it was the only cutting system they ever used in Canada.




    One has nothing to do with the other.



    "A much smaller operation than Topps, the O-Pee-Chee production process utilized an outdated system of wires to cut its cards. Full sheets would be stacked in piles of 50 to 100 or more, and as the sharp wires worked their way through the sheets, all but the few top levels experienced this characteristic rough-cutting from the almost saw-like action of the wires."

    http://www.smalltraditions.com...8_wayne_-lot10030.aspx

  • saraceno21
    saraceno21 Posts: 49 ✭✭
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    I don't understand why someone would want a rough cut over a nice clean sheet cut OPC Gretzky. The sheet cut card is still a genuine OPC card in my book. It just happens to have been cut by someone other than at the factory.
  • grote15
    grote15 Posts: 30,223 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    As an OPC collector of 1970s baseball, I like the rough cut. That is the way those cards come out of the pack, and if an OPC card from this era doesn't have at least a hint of a rough cut on one side, I'm wondering if it is sheet cut. Regarding sheet cut cards, you may prefer the look of a card like that, but in my book, that is an altered (or not original) card, not much different from a trimmed card, as you are utilizing modern cutting techniques to fabricate a high grade card that was not cut during the year of issue at the factory. I would not want a card like that in my collection.


    Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.
  • DanBessette
    DanBessette Posts: 6,421 ✭✭✭
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    Well said, Tim
  • natsturner
    natsturner Posts: 41 ✭✭
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    So do people think that OPC posted on Goldin Auctions is a sheet cut version and therefore not authentic from a pack?
  • mlbfan2
    mlbfan2 Posts: 3,115 ✭✭✭
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    Originally posted by: natsturner

    So do people think that OPC posted on Goldin Auctions is a sheet cut version and therefore not authentic from a pack?




    No. It does have a rough cut.
  • MULLINS5
    MULLINS5 Posts: 4,517 ✭✭✭
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    There are OPC Gretzky pack pulled rookies with perfectly smooth edges. The wires were only sharp for a few hours before dulling and were changed many times throughout the printing process. I love the look of the OPC cut, but technically it's a flaw and PSA should factor it into grading.



    Also, PSA should consider the centering of the oil drop on the logo.



    There are so many other examples I'd take over this card any day of the week.
  • MULLINS5
    MULLINS5 Posts: 4,517 ✭✭✭
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    Originally posted by: djr

    Nice card but I willl take mine for approx 500k less!







    That's a beauty!

  • BLUEJAYWAY
    BLUEJAYWAY Posts: 11,794 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Whats to prevent the wire cut process being applied/replicated, outside of the factory, to an uncut sheet of cards. Or has this been tried/done already?
    Successful transactions:Tookybandit. "Everyone is equal, some are more equal than others".
  • MULLINS5
    MULLINS5 Posts: 4,517 ✭✭✭
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    Originally posted by: BLUEJAYWAY

    Whats to prevent the wire cut process being applied/replicated, outside of the factory, to an uncut sheet of cards. Or has this been tried/done already?




    I suspect the scammer (because that's what they would likely be) having to invest in the heavy duty machinery.
  • mb2005
    mb2005 Posts: 165 ✭✭
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    Correct guesses were:



    $465,000 for the PSA 10 1979 OPC Gretzky



    $200,976 for the PSA 10 1979 Topps Gretzky



    PSA 10 OPC = 2.3X the PSA 10 Topps
  • Dpeck100
    Dpeck100 Posts: 10,916 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    On Joe Orlando's Twitter feed I see he tweeted that the Kareem rookie and Gretzky OPC became Pop 2's at the show. Intersting.

  • UFFDAH
    UFFDAH Posts: 2,883 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Wow!! Hope Joe shares some pics!! Wonder what that will do to the prices....

  • SDSportsFan
    SDSportsFan Posts: 5,232 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Evidently, the Alcindor RC PSA 10 was immediately consigned to Heritage Auctions for their November 2017 auction.

    Steve

  • LOTSOS
    LOTSOS Posts: 1,312 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Gretzky OPC 10!!!!

    Ohhhh my.
    Kevin

    Kevin

  • UFFDAH
    UFFDAH Posts: 2,883 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited July 31, 2017 7:24PM
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    Pic Joe Tweeted

  • HighGradeLegends
    HighGradeLegends Posts: 1,693 ✭✭✭✭
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    nice card!

  • ThoseBackPages
    ThoseBackPages Posts: 4,871 ✭✭
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    That is a STUNNER!

    Big Fan of: HOF Post War RC, Graded RCs
    WTB: PSA 1 - PSA 3 Centered, High Eye Appeal 1950's Mantle
  • LOTSOS
    LOTSOS Posts: 1,312 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Absolutely incredible.

    I would say that is the better of the two copies by a mile. The original one is skewed to the left pretty hard to carry a 10.

    Kevin

    Kevin

  • jackstraw
    jackstraw Posts: 3,889 ✭✭✭✭
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    What a beautiful card!

    Collector Focus

    ON ITS WAY TO NEWPORT BEACH, CA 92658
  • jackstraw
    jackstraw Posts: 3,889 ✭✭✭✭
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    @SDSportsFan said:
    Evidently, the Alcindor RC PSA 10 was immediately consigned to Heritage Auctions for their November 2017 auction.

    Steve

    I would have done the same thing with either card. To most of us it's life changing money..

    Collector Focus

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  • Arsenal83
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    David, too bad yours has a soft top right corner. Otherwise, that's a beauty.

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