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Does the 1819/8 look XF-40 to you? Update!!!
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Recently acquired from board member coinlieutenant in a flawless transaction. He di mention that this coin is full of luster, which is 100% correct. This one has as much luster as some of my 53's and 55's.
For a comparison, here are a couple of my other 40's. The 1817 has a fair amount of luster too (along with more obverse wear), and the 1809 has somewhat less luster and less wear. I sure wish all 40's looked like this or should it be I wish my 40's were all 50's?
For a comparison, here are a couple of my other 40's. The 1817 has a fair amount of luster too (along with more obverse wear), and the 1809 has somewhat less luster and less wear. I sure wish all 40's looked like this or should it be I wish my 40's were all 50's?
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The others look 45 and 40.
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My Full Walker Registry Set (1916-1947):
https://www.ngccoin.com/registry/competitive-sets/16292/
Here is a better pic (I think)
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Looks 50+ to me.
This.
Lance.
1817-XF-40. 1809-XF-45 to AU50.
That 1819 looks like a beautiful coin...not surprised it was one of the first to disappear on coinlieutenant's BST list. Certainly looks more AU-50 than XF-40 to me based on the pics.
I agree.
Comment what you will about that statement, but that's my theory.
It was probably crossed from another company's holder, and they needed to show they were more strict on grading so they gave it a lower grade just because they can.
Comment what you will about that statement, but that's my theory.
This should not factor into the grade, but I fear that it does.
There is problems grading them due to weak strikes vs. wear, but I don't think they do a good job determining which is which.
Gorgeous coin!
I now have an update for this thread. That XF-40 holder (with green bean) bothered me to no end so I cracked it out and submitted it at the September Vegas show. It now has an AU-55 grade in a new holder. I did expect a 50/53 at least, so this is just icing on the cake. Also it got relabeled correctly as a large 9. Please resume your normal activities.
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When I see bust half dollars with large broad flat areas in the hair, cap and bust or on the reverse on the eagle, I think that perhaps it didn't get fully struck up rather than wear.
I think this aspect quite often gets down graded by our host. Often the combination of substantial luster and flat areas are deceiving to the actual grade of the coin.
regardless of grade, that's one you buy on eye appeal. nice coin!
Nice job on the upgrade.
Congrats!
That's quite the upgrade.
A shame it wasn't more accurate the first go-around.
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nice
Nice work. Quality coin no matter what grade it's been assigned.
wow. 55!!? I'll disagree with PCGS on both grades it has assigned. Will be interesting to see what CAC says this time, if you go that route.
Sorry...that's no AU55. I'm with Barndog. I guessed AU50 earlier, which I stand by.
Lance.
Perhaps XF45+ would be an order for that coin (the 1819). I'd be comfortable with that.
I always thought ANACS had it right the first time, which was an AU53....but either way, it was an awesome coin and glad it is in a great collection.
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ANACS AU53 to PCGS XF40 to PCGS AU55. Is that correct?
Grading is subjective, of course. But I dont think anyone can dispute the coin's awesome eye appeal. Congrats!
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That is 100% correct. Oh, did I mention that it had a green bean as an XF-40? Just goes to show that grading/second opinion is truly subjective.
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Variations like this are considerable exceptions, not the rule. Not subjective by and large. But I agree the coin is an AU and they erred greatly in calling a nice lustrous Bust half XF.
Knowledgeable collectors know without the grade. I paid 'stupid' for the coin. So did ef.
. It all works out.
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From what I've seen over 30 years, the "exceptions" occur a lot more often than you think. I'd say about 20-40% of the time. That coin going 53 to 40 to 55....is actually borderline normal imo. About 1/3 of the coins I've submitted over the years have come back too low the first time through, requiring another 1-2 submissions. And invariably, you get a wide spread of grades. EF was wise to crack this one out and get a clean slate. It's crazy that it wasn't gold beaned. But, as I've said before, CAC wants some meat on their bone too. And to sum it all up, you typically don't nail down a coin's grade on 1 submission, and often not even 2. In my mind it usually takes 3-5 submissions to get a consensus on a coin. The OP's coin has been seen 3X now with an apparent consensus as AU53/55....with both CoinLT and the current owner agreeing with an AU grade.
I can give numerous examples of me submitting coins and getting 3 different grades over 3-5 submission. You have to love it when you go 64,63,65 in order. That's where you wanted to confirm the original grade and get low balled the 2nd time. Then you're forced to resubmit just to break even and they give you the 65. I had one seated half I paid raw 66 money for at a Stack's auction go NGC MS65. I was buried staring at a 40% loss. In sending it back it went NGC MS67. I didn't dare try a 3rd time for "consensus." I'd have stopped at 66 if they gave it to me.
No... 40 failed the straight face test.
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