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Has this 1972 Lincoln been lasered to appear as a DDO?

MICHAELDIXONMICHAELDIXON Posts: 6,589 ✭✭✭✭✭
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  • AUandAGAUandAG Posts: 24,934 ✭✭✭✭✭
    machine doubling.....I think not.



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  • DIMEMANDIMEMAN Posts: 22,403 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Originally posted by: AUandAG
    machine doubling.....I think not.

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  • MICHAELDIXONMICHAELDIXON Posts: 6,589 ✭✭✭✭✭
    It would definitely not be the major variety as pictured, but there are several minor varities that exist.
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  • oih82w8oih82w8 Posts: 12,606 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I believe that there are 7 or 9 different ddo for the 1972 Lincoln cent, yours is not one of them. Machine/strike doubling.
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  • RichieURichRichieURich Posts: 8,553 ✭✭✭✭✭
    No, strike doubling or machine doubling, as the others have stated.

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  • 1Mike11Mike1 Posts: 4,427 ✭✭✭✭✭
    If I was looking to purchase one I would not consider this a double.
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  • TopographicOceansTopographicOceans Posts: 6,535 ✭✭✭✭
    It doesn't look like mine.
  • DCWDCW Posts: 7,624 ✭✭✭✭✭
    This is absolutely not a doubled die. As others have stated, it is simply machine doubling. Do not confuse that with the lesser doubled dies for the date, as they exhibit genuine hub doubling only with a lesser spread.

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  • MICHAELDIXONMICHAELDIXON Posts: 6,589 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I sent a similar one to ANACS several years ago and it came back lasered. So my concern was whether it was a lasered coin. I have the books and knew it wasn't one of the known doubled dies.
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  • rickoricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Definitely not a DDO.... Cheers, RickO
  • BillJonesBillJones Posts: 34,814 ✭✭✭✭✭
    The "real" 1972 DDO has almost as much doubling as the 1955 DDO. There are minor varieties of the 1972 DDO that are not as valuable. This one might not even be one of them. The date might only be machine doubling.
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  • LanceNewmanOCCLanceNewmanOCC Posts: 19,999 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Originally posted by: BillJones

    There are minor varieties of the 1972 DDO that are not as valuable.




    and some more so.

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  • TwoSides2aCoinTwoSides2aCoin Posts: 44,615 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Have two in for grading right now. One I got from Smittys (board member, on eBay). Formerly ANACS MS 62 RB. Think it will go 64 (cracked it out prior to submission). Having true view photos done, as well. The other is for another collector in town. Will post photos when available. The short answer to the OP : "no".
  • MICHAELDIXONMICHAELDIXON Posts: 6,589 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Ok, let me clarify. I knew from the beginning this was not an authentic DDO. I have handled hundreds of them throughout the years, have a PCGS certified in my collection and have the books where I can verify it myself. If you look at my third post, I wanted to know if anybody can tell whether it has been lasered. Next time, I will be more specific. You do not have to post pictures of those you are sending in whenever they return.
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  • TwoSides2aCoinTwoSides2aCoin Posts: 44,615 ✭✭✭✭✭
    image oh. Okay image

    And let me clarify then. No, it doesn't look to be "doctored" or lasered to me.
  • DIMEMANDIMEMAN Posts: 22,403 ✭✭✭✭✭
    No laser.....just MD.
  • CommemKingCommemKing Posts: 2,202 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Laser? Seriously doubt it. Machine doubling.
  • dpooledpoole Posts: 5,940 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Originally posted by: MICHAELDIXON

    Ok, let me clarify. I knew from the beginning this was not an authentic DDO. I have handled hundreds of them throughout the years, have a PCGS certified in my collection and have the books where I can verify it myself. If you look at my third post, I wanted to know if anybody can tell whether it has been lasered. Next time, I will be more specific. You do not have to post pictures of those you are sending in whenever they return.






    That was sure my reaction. MICHAELDIXON doesn't know what a 72 DDO looks like?? Who are you, and what have you done with MICHAELDIXON??!!



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    As far as the question, I sure would have presumed it was a machine doubling, but you're apparently seeing smoething more atypical than I noticed.

  • mariner67mariner67 Posts: 2,746 ✭✭✭
    By changing the thread title, after so many have already responded to your origional thread question/title, now makes this thread confusing to new viewers.
    You should have closed this out and just started a new thread.
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  • WaterSportWaterSport Posts: 6,918 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Darned if I would know what a “lasered” coin would like or any characteristics of a lasered coin. I could not even find anything on the web other for the treatment of crud accumulated coins.

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  • rickoricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I have seen laser work on metals, (worked with metal lasering for years) and this does not look like any I have seen. Cheers, RickO
  • mr1931Smr1931S Posts: 6,412 ✭✭✭✭✭
    The only "doubling" that I'm seeing is on the date which looks very much like machine or "shelf" doubling to me.Note the especially pronounced shelf on the "2's."

    If in fact the piece was lasered,it's a very amateurish job of trying to make the piece look like an authentic 1972 DDO.

    One reason for collectors to use a loupe at the show or in the shop is to try to make accurate assessment of pieces like this for what they really are.

    Whoever is careless with the truth in small matters cannot be trusted with important matters.

  • AhrensdadAhrensdad Posts: 2,583 ✭✭✭
    It looks like machine doubling to me. I'm not sure what a lasered example would look like, but it would have to think it'd be difficult to make laser around the curve in the two that neatly.
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  • johnny9434johnny9434 Posts: 29,246 ✭✭✭✭✭
    not a ddo. to bad to.....
  • mr1931Smr1931S Posts: 6,412 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Coin features to be doubled that are cut by an altering tool such as a laser would result in shelves on the finished product.

    I don't see how such an alteration would fool anybody who knows what machine doubling (extra $ value $0) looks like and is armed with a 10x loupe.

    Whoever is careless with the truth in small matters cannot be trusted with important matters.

  • bolivarshagnastybolivarshagnasty Posts: 7,352 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I'm very familiar with all 9 dies listed in the CP guide. This does not match

    Any of them. Machine doubled.
  • AUandAGAUandAG Posts: 24,934 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Hey MD, when did you throw the laser into the mix??? Did I read the post incorrectly?



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  • DCWDCW Posts: 7,624 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Why in the world would someone "laser" a circulated 1972 cent? And you've sent one of these MD examples off to ANACS and paid them to examine it?
    I thought you were asking for opinions on if this was a doubled die of the other 8 minor varieties recognized by the cherrypicker guide. I do not understand what brings you to the conclusion that this coin may be lasered.

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  • davewesendavewesen Posts: 6,665 ✭✭✭✭✭
    wow, now you have to show a picture of a 'lasered' coin.
  • MICHAELDIXONMICHAELDIXON Posts: 6,589 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Originally posted by: DCW
    Why in the world would someone "laser" a circulated 1972 cent? And you've sent one of these MD examples off to ANACS and paid them to examine it?
    I thought you were asking for opinions on if this was a doubled die of the other 8 minor varieties recognized by the cherrypicker guide. I do not understand what brings you to the conclusion that this coin may be lasered.


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