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Any chance this 1838 toner bustie will grade?

USMarine6USMarine6 Posts: 1,978 ✭✭✭✭✭
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Just picked this up. Anyway it might grade with the scratches on the obverse? Also grade opinions would be appreciated. I know the pics suck but just give it your best.

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  • VanHalenVanHalen Posts: 4,330 ✭✭✭✭✭
    The obverse gouge is too large for a straight grade IMO.
  • lkeigwinlkeigwin Posts: 16,894 ✭✭✭✭✭
    You might get lucky. But my guess is it won't straight-grade due to the scratches.



    Looks AU-details.

    Lance.



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  • MorganMan94MorganMan94 Posts: 1,331 ✭✭✭✭✭
    It's a beauty but it is a details coin. I would also agree with Ikeigwin on the grade.
  • TomBTomB Posts: 22,387 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Not with those scratches.
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  • LanceNewmanOCCLanceNewmanOCC Posts: 19,999 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    is the big one a scratch or planchet defect? shadowing makes it hard to tell and im at the end of a several day coin buying/selling binge.



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  • FlatwoodsFlatwoods Posts: 4,248 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I don't think it would or should. (No offense)
  • MoldnutMoldnut Posts: 3,113 ✭✭✭✭
    negative ghost rider, those scratches are too much.
    I always ask, if you received a coin in a PCGS holder with something like that on the coin, would you be ok with it?
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  • BryceMBryceM Posts: 11,893 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I doubt it, but even if it did I would not view it as a choice example.
  • USMarine6USMarine6 Posts: 1,978 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I pretty much figured the responses I would get on this. Wishful thinking on my part I guess.
  • DIMEMANDIMEMAN Posts: 22,403 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Originally posted by: VanHalen
    The obverse gouge is too large for a straight grade IMO.


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  • 123cents123cents Posts: 7,178 ✭✭✭
    No I don't think it will with those scratches.
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  • BochimanBochiman Posts: 25,625 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Since your title is "toner bustie", I would imagine you were wondering if the toning would cause an issue with the grading.



    However, I, like most others, focused in on the scratches on the obv (well, one looks like a gouge...) and think it won't/shouldn't grade from that.



    If I were a buyer, unless this was a very hard to find coin, wouldn't want it with those scratches.

    I've been told I tolerate fools poorly...that may explain things if I have a problem with you. Current ebay items - Nothing at the moment

  • 291fifth291fifth Posts: 24,849 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Genuine, scratched, cleaned.
    All glory is fleeting.
  • ZoinsZoins Posts: 34,401 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I'm with the no crowd. The scratch is too large and visible to straight grade.
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  • gripgrip Posts: 9,962 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Nice coin otherwise.
  • rickoricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Too bad... I believe it will details grade... nice coin otherwise...Cheers, RickO
  • ShamikaShamika Posts: 18,785 ✭✭✭✭
    Ouch!




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  • coin22lovercoin22lover Posts: 3,542 ✭✭✭
    That's quite unlikely, sorry!
  • lordmarcovanlordmarcovan Posts: 44,090 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Zero percent for a straight grade at any reputable TPG, I'm afraid.



    Too bad, 'cause it is otherwise attractive.



    I would leave it in the old school Capital Plastics holder. (Or in the dealer''s case, if it doesn't yet belong to you. Unless it was crazy cheap.)

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  • oih82w8oih82w8 Posts: 12,772 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I doubt it...not with that dig and scratch on the right field.
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  • CommemKingCommemKing Posts: 2,202 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I would say not. That gouge is too much. Plus the tone looks like Taco Bell napkin type. Probably tried to tone the thing to hide the gouge.
  • USMarine6USMarine6 Posts: 1,978 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Originally posted by: lordmarcovan
    Zero percent for a straight grade at any reputable TPG, I'm afraid.

    Too bad, 'cause it is otherwise attractive.

    I would leave it in the old school Capital Plastics holder. (Or in the dealer''s case, if it doesn't yet belong to you. Unless it was crazy cheap.)


    I do own it. Picked it up at a local auction and yes I thought the price was more than reasonable to make a few bucks at some point. I do like the older holder also
  • USMarine6USMarine6 Posts: 1,978 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Although it can't be seen in the pics the luster is all there and the color more vibrant than in the pic.
  • goldengolden Posts: 10,154 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Originally posted by: 291fifth
    Genuine, scratched, cleaned.


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  • astroratastrorat Posts: 9,221 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Originally posted by: lkeigwin
    You might get lucky. But my guess is it won't straight-grade due to the scratches.

    Looks AU-details.
    Lance.



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  • mannie graymannie gray Posts: 7,259 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Originally posted by: 291fifth

    Genuine, scratched, cleaned.


    +1



  • GoldbullyGoldbully Posts: 18,136 ✭✭✭✭✭
    What moron did that damage to that beauty? image

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