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Would this be considered an Error worth grading, consensus is Die Scratches...with photos..added Obv
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Thought this looked interesting so I bought it. I haven't seen die cracks running like this before. Is this common?
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I'd not thought of die polish.....
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Here's a die crack, isn't it? Don't tell me it's a moustache either.
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I would call them die scratches instead of die cracks.
Look too uniform to be cracks
The Washington Quarter pictured has some unusual die scratches on it. Notice how the die scratches disappear when they go "under" a letter. This is because they were caused by something that scratched across the die face. And the scratching object only contacted the high points on the die (which corresponds to the low field areas on the coin).
A die crack is just that - a crack in the die. Die cracks are almost always deep - they extend deep into the shank of the die. They will go right through letters, or sometimes follow part way around the perimeter of a letter. But a die break won't stop at the edge of a letter and then mysteriously start again on the other side of the letter.
A die break usually starts off as a die crack, but in addition, a piece or pieces of the die have completely broken away. This void in the die leaves an apparent "lump of extra metal" on the struck coin.
A cud die break is where a fairly large piece of the die breaks away near the perimeter.
The Peace Dollar "moustache" is a die break (and a nice VAM in this case as well).
There is also a die break on the Washington Quarter (on the wing near the "T" of UNITED).
The die scratches on the Washington Quarter are fairly deep and unusual.
Thanks for the replies, I guess I learn something new everyday. I don't recall hearing/seeing Die Scratches before. If I got it right, the die was "mishandled/scratched at the mint prior to striking. That's why I love this place.
When illustrating a coin with cracks, lines, etc It would be very helpful to show the coin in at least two orientations with the light. In this case, include another with the lines "flipped" with the "high" ends at the top left of the photo.
BTW, I have never seen fairly uniform, parallel, raised lines (so die scratches) like this on ANY coin. so you have something very different and interesting.
What is the date of the coin so other members can look for a match?
Die scratches are not considered to be damage. They are common on coins and result from different "operations" the mint employees use on dies for different reasons such as to remove unwanted marks from a used die. I'm trying to be very general here. If you have never seen a "die scratch" before there are many discussions on the different coin forums.
Note: Some of the opinions about die scratches on CoinTalk are BS!
Hey Cass, maybe those are " Hand Reengraved" lines from the Mint?
It sure looks like someone was practicing their craft at the mint. Could this be a die that was not supposed to be used again?
Hey Cass, maybe those are " Hand Reengraved" lines from the Mint?
It sure looks like someone was practicing their craft at the mint. Could this be a die that was not supposed to be used again?
IMO, Not. The engravers do not practice by putting lines on dies. I've see several 25c with this type of lines...Look at the wings of Proofs in the 50's or 60's (cannot remember). Those lines were put on the die to accentuate the feathers and are easily seen to be done on purpose!
These lines are EXTREMELY unusual. They add nothing to the coin and I for one cannot see any reason for them.
I WISH the OP would take another photo with the light/coin in a different position as so far I'm in 100% agreement with everything D. Carr posted.
Hey Cass, maybe those are " Hand Reengraved" lines from the Mint?
It sure looks like someone was practicing their craft at the mint. Could this be a die that was not supposed to be used again?
IMO, Not. They engravers do not practice by putting lines on dies. I've see several 25c with this type of lines...Look at the wings of Proofs in the 50's or 60's (cannot remember). Those lines were put on the die to accentuate the feathers and are easily seen to be done on purpose!
These lines are EXTREMELY unusual. They add nothing to the coin and I for one cannot see any reason for them.
I WISH the OP would take another photo with the light/coin in a different position as so far I'm in 100% agreement with everything D. Carr posted.
Added some pics of the obverse, it's a 57D
OK, now we know the coin's date. All the raised lines on the obvers are die polish EXCEPT the dark line at the base of the bust.
THESE photos are not helpful! NEED to see the REVERSE! Please photo it in sever degrees of rotation. I am bothered by how deep a few of the lines (that so far look like RAISED die polish) CROSS into semi-deep areas of the relief (leaf). This is possible with die polish but I should like to be 100% sure for my own education as I have NEVER seen parallel die polish that is a uniform distance apart.
I call em die cracks. These are in fact die cracks the way I see it. Small but I believe enough to suck the material into the little boogers.
I don't know everything so please educate me if I'm wrong.
Here's a die crack, isn't it? Don't tell me it's a moustache either.
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I thought it was a mustache but it's snot.
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cool and unusual die gouges/scratches.
why in the....? the world may never know.
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In general, the die seems to have been used beyond its prescribed lifetime, given the break, and significant die polish. Maybe someone just tried to keep it going until quitting time.....
I have looked at my share of Washingtons, and can say I've never seen another like it.
Great pics also.
Thx...
Would this be considered some sort of error? Figured I'd ask before it goes into the box of "Coin Stuff"
Thx...
i doubt it is worth the error fee but i wont say i wouldnt get it graded on the cheap.
ive seen far less worthy coins in holders. many.
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