Originally posted by: tradedollarnut Forget about it and close your eBay account. Let them know why...
This.
I had a much worse fraud case ($2000) where the seller never even sent the item, and it was verified. They just copied another dealer's auction and tried to "sell" a coin they didn't even own. They had my funds. Ebay did a cursory investigation and said there was nothing to all of it. They stopped returning my phone calls and emails. Local USPS postmaster did nothing except to tell me to file a claim on the internet. US Internet Crimes division did nothing. Local law enforcement did nothing and really didn't want to be bothered. The chief of police stopped returning my phone calls. No one really cares about such crimes unless they are huge dollar amounts or occur dozens of times. They figure the cost of their services can best be spent elsewhere....not tracking down "collector crimes" on Fleabay.
Ebay won't care one lick if you close out your account. But, you'll feel better. If you plan to continue you'll have to take film of every package you send out where it's sealed in front of a postal inspector. What's the world coming to???
The reason they have a minimum of $25,000 and multiple victim requirements is there are plenty of those criminals to keep them busy.
A sub $100 scam that can't be proved in court doesn't get any resources.
Law Enforcement doesn't have the resources to get involved in business disputes so they have to target the big scammers.
Originally posted by: Broadstruck I'd report the buyer to your Postal Inspector.
Good luck with eBay Customer Service in Asia!
You could call PayPal instead and speak to someone in USA.
I have already explained to the buyer that I would be contacting the Postal Inspector about this, and that he better have better evidence that my video footage and weight data.
The eBay CS rep was indeed in Asia. I will try again on Monday morning and escalate the matter much higher.
Regarding PayPal, their CS reps are in the U.S., but I am not too happy with them either. They froze my account last month and I still do not have access to my funds. Now close to $16,000 and growing. They let the money go into the account, but I cannot take anything out while they are in the process of reviewing my business licenses and other financial documents to be sure that I am not a terrorist. I am not kidding either. That's what is happening.
So much for living in Free America.. I would complain to anyone and everyone starting with local Congressman .. they will hold that money for years
The reason they have a minimum of $25,000 and multiple victim requirements is there are plenty of those criminals to keep them busy.
A sub $100 scam that can't be proved in court doesn't get any resources.
Law Enforcement doesn't have the resources to get involved in business disputes so they have to target the big scammers.
I get that. But what about Ebay? It's their sand box...and should be up to them to police it properly. Why don't they want to try and keep people as customers? They lost me back in 2008. I don't get it.
Originally posted by: tradedollarnut Forget about it and close your eBay account. Let them know why...
This.
I had a much worse fraud case ($2000) where the seller never even sent the item. How could they as they never owned the item. They just copied another dealer's auction from a few months earlier and tried to "sell" a coin they didn't possess. They had my funds. Ebay did a cursory investigation and said there was nothing to all of it. They stopped returning my phone calls and emails. Local USPS postmaster did nothing except to tell me to file a claim on the internet. US Internet Financial Crimes division did nothing. In fact I never once got a reply from them after posting the details of my case. The perp's local law enforcement did nothing and really didn't want to be bothered after I submitted a police report from my own town. The chief of police stopped returning my phone calls. No one really cares about such crimes unless they are huge dollar amounts or occur dozens of times, and especially if the seller and buyer are a thousand miles apart. They figure the cost of their services can best be spent elsewhere....not tracking down "collector crimes" on Fleabay.
Ebay won't care one lick if you close out your account. But, you'll feel better. If you plan to continue you should plan on taking film of every package you send out where it's sealed in front of a postal inspector. Or at least on those you won't mind getting $0 for. I wouldn't be surprised if your perp tries to sue in civil court for pain and suffering.
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The reason they have a minimum of $25,000 and multiple victim requirements is there are plenty of those criminals to keep them busy.
A sub $100 scam that can't be proved in court doesn't get any resources.
Law Enforcement doesn't have the resources to get involved in business disputes so they have to target the big scammers.
I get that. But what about Ebay? It's their sand box...and should be up to them to police it properly. Why don't they want to try and keep people as customers? They lost me back in 2008. I don't get it.
I fully understand. I have no desire whatsoever to sell on eBay. Too many people trying to rip you off, too many rules, and too many fees.
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The reason they have a minimum of $25,000 and multiple victim requirements is there are plenty of those criminals to keep them busy.
That, and an aggressive campaign to defund the postal service, now more than a decade old -- like the national parks, etc. the basic scheme is to starve it so that it provides poor service and let the resulting dissatisfaction justify further defunding and/or contracting services out to the private sector. That's an old trick.
Do you have a friend who is an attorney who is willing to send the perp a letter on his/her letterhead, basically stating they have been retained to represent you, and requesting the perp's legal representative's contact information ?
I fought a 100 dollar debt once, ended up with a legal fee bill of 10k. I won but did not feel any better other than they spent over 15k in legal fees.
I used to let the little things bug me to near death, now I just accept there are some real lowlifes in this world. You can spend hours chasing police detectives, the post office and ebay or spend no more time and work 15 minutes and make the 50 bucks lost back. Hopefully karma will bite him in the butt
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Here's an idea. It's similar to the old bounced check posted at the counter of the local corner store. Make a brief statement of what this guy did and post it and his username in all of your auctions. Make a screenshot of the statement and add it as an item photo. At the very least some people looking at your auctions will get curious and look his screen name up and block him. It may also discourage other scammers from trying to mark you.
I suggest that at the risk of suffering the loss of some sales that you remove eBay from your business model. in the long run you shouldn't suffer very much. that venue has changed so much over the years that from the stories I hear(like this one) it tends to side against a reputable seller who is in the right. I know some of the respondents here won't want to hear this, but there really isn't much you can do to successfully prove what has happened, sucking it up and writing off the loss is probably the best thing to do.
we all know you and believe what you say has happened. in the bigger scheme of things it is a "he said, she said" scenario that you won't win.
I think it may be time to place a call to Uncle Nunzio and ask him to make it appear that the scammer just happened to break both of his legs by accident.
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Originally posted by: jtlee321 Here's an idea. It's similar to the old bounced check posted at the counter of the local corner store. Make a brief statement of what this guy did and post it and his username in all of your auctions. Make a screenshot of the statement and add it as an item photo. At the very least some people looking at your auctions will get curious and look his screen name up and block him. It may also discourage other scammers from trying to mark you.
And offer the returned fakes on ebay with a BIN of $1K -> 'counterfeit returns from xxxxx, latest SCAM on eBay'
Ask for an ebay account supervisor, explain situation, show that he is buying the fakes and tell the supervisor he needs to be shut down or ebay will be dealing with more cases like yours.
And provide us with his ID so that we can protect ourselves.
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The more I read about these scams on Ebay,although in the minority, the likelihood that I will join the Ebay selling ranks is becoming less likely. Even the small "hits" you take is an afront to your peace of mind. On the sportscard side from time to time this switcheroo has taken place as well. Even going so far as swapping out a lower grade card into a higher grade holder. An antique dealer in my area sold a clock on Ebay. The "buyer" returned it after he had swapped out his broken part from a like clock into the "purchased" clock. Then stated in the return the clock was inoperative.
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Sorry to hear about this. After knowing you have tried, I'm kinda in the boat where you might start considering to move on and take a loss after setting up some better proactive protection measures given by others. If it continues, offer no refunds or think about closing ebay for a while. I know it doesn't really give satisfaction.
Sometimes, one can consume oneself in trying to resolve things the right way, going through proper channels, spend much more money and personal time than you care to only to find it leads to a dead end because the process isn't that helpful.
One thing that is not mentioned: I would ask eBay for their opinion. "what is the correct ebay method on combatting such issues for the future". Maybe they can offer more/better solutions or advice.
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One thing that is not mentioned: I would ask eBay for their opinion. "what is the correct ebay method on combatting such issues for the future". Maybe they can offer more/better solutions or advice.
I'm guessing their answer will be "suck it up and take the loss" but maybe I'm too cynical.
If eBay had a way for sellers to protect themselves from this kind of fraud, maybe they should tell the sellers just what that way is.
As it currently stands, eBay rules help the criminals with their scams. And that is a lousy way to run a company, in my opinion.
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It's an albatross and not the viable exchange it was when those who supported it most (Sellers auctioning things), were taxed so high by fees that it became a rubbish BIN.
Sorry for not posting the seller's information. Some warned that if I do, that it could come back to haunt me, but at this point, I don't care. I will post the eBay ID now.
As for the money, I truly do not care about the $48. I have been scammed before for more and often it is less expensive to just take the hit and move on, considering the value of time. Every store has shrinkage, and we have been fortunate overall.
The reason that I am going to fight this aggressively is that this same scam could be applied to much more expensive coins. What if this punk is just testing the waters with inexpensive coins?
Here are the images of our good Panda versus the "bad bears." The genuine examples are 0.999 fine silver with a weight of 31.1 grams, and these cartoon Pandas weigh in at 28.27 grams (not silver).
What is weird is that he has a feedback rating of 124, and there are plenty of positive comments from (presumably) coin sellers who have had (presumably) positive experiences with him.
That was not what I was expecting.
Also - he has been on eBay since 2009.
Could this be a hijacked account? Or...?
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Here are the images of our good Panda versus the "bad bears." The genuine examples are 0.999 fine silver with a weight of 31.1 grams, and these cartoon Pandas weigh in at 28.27 grams (not silver).
Interestingly, from what I understand (though it is perfectly legal to counterfeit coins of all nations in China, including Chinese coins dated before 1949) the Chinese take very seriously those who counterfeit Chinese coins dated after 1949. They throw the book at them, from what I understand.
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The reason they have a minimum of $25,000 and multiple victim requirements is there are plenty of those criminals to keep them busy.
A sub $100 scam that can't be proved in court doesn't get any resources.
Law Enforcement doesn't have the resources to get involved in business disputes so they have to target the big scammers.
I get that. But what about Ebay? It's their sand box...and should be up to them to police it properly. Why don't they want to try and keep people as customers? They lost me back in 2008. I don't get it.
eBay used to be like the wild west. When things went wrong, their defense was they were "just a venue" like a newspaper publishing classified ads.
And that defense worked. If you sent someone $10,000 for a picture of a coin sold on Heritage and got nothing, eBay was held harmless.
The problem became public perception. There were too many stories of people sending money and getting ripped off.
eBay's marketing department addressed it with their money back guarantee and launched a major ad campaign that it is safe to buy on eBay. If you don't get what was advertised you get your money back.
So the scammers moved to the other side and became buyers. And a lot of good sellers left. eBay has their "Report a Buyer" link, which the OP should use. If they get a pattern they will NARU the buyer.
In retail there is a concept of "shrinkage" which means a percentage of your inventory shrinks due to a number of factors: theft, damage, lack of tracking, chargebacks etc.
How is there a return privilege on bullion? I thought that category was exempt
I'm sure eBay makes an exception for counterfeits which this buyer is claiming.
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Wow, that sure is a stink! perhaps it is time to get the law involved. Does bullion fall under CIA jurisdiction or Secret service, or ICE? I do not do bullion stuff at all. so my question is this: can "bullion stuff" be photographed ( macro) and certain properties of the item be "registered" within the selling auction description. example: this items appearance properties have been photographed and registered. you take a couple of pix and note : obverse TL 4 mm 2 mm mark.... and record several...(obverse, top left is a 2 mm mark) weight: XXX dimensions: xxxxx xxxxx would make it difficult for shysters to send another back! The weight of the package will not have any influence on the items being fake or not as weight can easy be adjusted. the fact that the law will be involved will open up FeeBays records and possibly reveal other funny stuff.
Originally posted by: DaveWcoins What is weird is that he has a feedback rating of 124, and there are plenty of positive comments from (presumably) coin sellers who have had (presumably) positive experiences with him.
That was not what I was expecting.
Also - he has been on eBay since 2009.
Could this be a hijacked account? Or...?
Perhaps this isn't a scam he intends to do repeatedly. Perhaps the scenario is that he got scammed buying the fake Pandas and decided this was a way to exchange for the real thing.
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You have his name.
You have his address.
Send him 6 yards of pea gravel (just tell the driver to dump it in the driveway).
Easy game.
Seriously, take it up with E-Bay but keep his info and just pray he places a second order.
Pea gravel! Pea gravel!
Forget about it and close your eBay account. Let them know why...
This.
I had a much worse fraud case ($2000) where the seller never even sent the item, and it was verified. They just copied another dealer's auction and tried to "sell" a coin they didn't even own. They had my funds. Ebay did a cursory investigation and said there was nothing to all of it. They stopped returning my phone calls and emails. Local USPS postmaster did nothing except to tell me to file a claim on the internet. US Internet Crimes division did nothing. Local law enforcement did nothing and really didn't want to be bothered. The chief of police stopped returning my phone calls. No one really cares about such crimes unless they are huge dollar amounts or occur dozens of times. They figure the cost of their services can best be spent elsewhere....not tracking down "collector crimes" on Fleabay.
Ebay won't care one lick if you close out your account. But, you'll feel better. If you plan to continue you'll have to take film of every package you send out where it's sealed in front of a postal inspector. What's the world coming to???
The reason they have a minimum of $25,000 and multiple victim requirements is there are plenty of those criminals to keep them busy.
A sub $100 scam that can't be proved in court doesn't get any resources.
Law Enforcement doesn't have the resources to get involved in business disputes so they have to target the big scammers.
I'd report the buyer to your Postal Inspector.
Good luck with eBay Customer Service in Asia!
You could call PayPal instead and speak to someone in USA.
I have already explained to the buyer that I would be contacting the Postal Inspector about this, and that he better have better evidence that my video footage and weight data.
The eBay CS rep was indeed in Asia. I will try again on Monday morning and escalate the matter much higher.
Regarding PayPal, their CS reps are in the U.S., but I am not too happy with them either. They froze my account last month and I still do not have access to my funds. Now close to $16,000 and growing. They let the money go into the account, but I cannot take anything out while they are in the process of reviewing my business licenses and other financial documents to be sure that I am not a terrorist. I am not kidding either. That's what is happening.
So much for living in Free America.. I would complain to anyone and everyone starting with local Congressman .. they will hold that money for years
The reason they have a minimum of $25,000 and multiple victim requirements is there are plenty of those criminals to keep them busy.
A sub $100 scam that can't be proved in court doesn't get any resources.
Law Enforcement doesn't have the resources to get involved in business disputes so they have to target the big scammers.
I get that. But what about Ebay? It's their sand box...and should be up to them to police it properly. Why don't they want to try and keep people as customers? They lost me back in 2008. I don't get it.
Forget about it and close your eBay account. Let them know why...
This.
I had a much worse fraud case ($2000) where the seller never even sent the item. How could they as they never owned the item. They just copied another dealer's auction from a few months earlier and tried to "sell" a coin they didn't possess. They had my funds. Ebay did a cursory investigation and said there was nothing to all of it. They stopped returning my phone calls and emails. Local USPS postmaster did nothing except to tell me to file a claim on the internet. US Internet Financial Crimes division did nothing. In fact I never once got a reply from them after posting the details of my case. The perp's local law enforcement did nothing and really didn't want to be bothered after I submitted a police report from my own town. The chief of police stopped returning my phone calls. No one really cares about such crimes unless they are huge dollar amounts or occur dozens of times, and especially if the seller and buyer are a thousand miles apart. They figure the cost of their services can best be spent elsewhere....not tracking down "collector crimes" on Fleabay.
Ebay won't care one lick if you close out your account. But, you'll feel better. If you plan to continue you should plan on taking film of every package you send out where it's sealed in front of a postal inspector. Or at least on those you won't mind getting $0 for. I wouldn't be surprised if your perp tries to sue in civil court for pain and suffering.
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Not really looking for much these days but if I were, it might be a toner.
The reason they have a minimum of $25,000 and multiple victim requirements is there are plenty of those criminals to keep them busy.
A sub $100 scam that can't be proved in court doesn't get any resources.
Law Enforcement doesn't have the resources to get involved in business disputes so they have to target the big scammers.
I get that. But what about Ebay? It's their sand box...and should be up to them to police it properly. Why don't they want to try and keep people as customers? They lost me back in 2008. I don't get it.
I fully understand. I have no desire whatsoever to sell on eBay. Too many people trying to rip you off, too many rules, and too many fees.
An authorized PCGS dealer, and a contributor to the Red Book.
WHAT?
Customers are returning counterfeits to sellers for genuine coins?
You are pulling my lariat.
They keep the gennies and return counterfeits.
That, and an aggressive campaign to defund the postal service, now more than a decade old -- like the national parks, etc. the basic scheme is to starve it so that it provides poor service and let the resulting dissatisfaction justify further defunding and/or contracting services out to the private sector. That's an old trick.
I like the gravel idea too.
It's a shame to get taken, especially when there is so little recourse.
There are just so many unscrupulous individuals out there hiding behind their computers or phones that it is unsettling.
I hope you get some resolution in the matter, but I kind of doubt it.
Good luck moving forward.
I used to let the little things bug me to near death, now I just accept there are some real lowlifes in this world. You can spend hours chasing police detectives, the post office and ebay or spend no more time and work 15 minutes and make the 50 bucks lost back. Hopefully karma will bite him in the butt
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Block, share the scumbag's ID and move on with your life.
we all know you and believe what you say has happened. in the bigger scheme of things it is a "he said, she said" scenario that you won't win.
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Here's an idea. It's similar to the old bounced check posted at the counter of the local corner store. Make a brief statement of what this guy did and post it and his username in all of your auctions. Make a screenshot of the statement and add it as an item photo. At the very least some people looking at your auctions will get curious and look his screen name up and block him. It may also discourage other scammers from trying to mark you.
And offer the returned fakes on ebay with a BIN of $1K -> 'counterfeit returns from xxxxx, latest SCAM on eBay'
And provide us with his ID so that we can protect ourselves.
Government is the great fiction through which everybody endeavors to live at the expense of everybody else. - Bastiat
This type of scam bothers me... not sure how one can prevent or counteract it. It's all stacked against the seller.
Sometimes, one can consume oneself in trying to resolve things the right way, going through proper channels, spend much more money and personal time than you care to only to find it leads to a dead end because the process isn't that helpful.
One thing that is not mentioned: I would ask eBay for their opinion. "what is the correct ebay method on combatting such issues for the future". Maybe they can offer more/better solutions or advice.
Enjoyed numismatic conversations with Eric P. Newman, Dave Akers, Jules Reiver, David Davis, Russ Logan, John McCloskey, Kirk Gorman, W. David Perkins...
One thing that is not mentioned: I would ask eBay for their opinion. "what is the correct ebay method on combatting such issues for the future". Maybe they can offer more/better solutions or advice.
I'm guessing their answer will be "suck it up and take the loss" but maybe I'm too cynical.
If eBay had a way for sellers to protect themselves from this kind of fraud, maybe they should tell the sellers just what that way is.
As it currently stands, eBay rules help the criminals with their scams. And that is a lousy way to run a company, in my opinion.
An authorized PCGS dealer, and a contributor to the Red Book.
It's an albatross and not the viable exchange it was when those who supported it most (Sellers auctioning things), were taxed so high by fees that it became a rubbish BIN.
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Sorry for not posting the seller's information. Some warned that if I do, that it could come back to haunt me, but at this point, I don't care. I will post the eBay ID now.
As for the money, I truly do not care about the $48. I have been scammed before for more and often it is less expensive to just take the hit and move on, considering the value of time. Every store has shrinkage, and we have been fortunate overall.
The reason that I am going to fight this aggressively is that this same scam could be applied to much more expensive coins. What if this punk is just testing the waters with inexpensive coins?
Anyway, here it is:
The buyer
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Here are the images of our good Panda versus the "bad bears." The genuine examples are 0.999 fine silver with a weight of 31.1 grams, and these cartoon Pandas weigh in at 28.27 grams (not silver).
That was not what I was expecting.
Also - he has been on eBay since 2009.
Could this be a hijacked account? Or...?
Here are the images of our good Panda versus the "bad bears." The genuine examples are 0.999 fine silver with a weight of 31.1 grams, and these cartoon Pandas weigh in at 28.27 grams (not silver).
Interestingly, from what I understand (though it is perfectly legal to counterfeit coins of all nations in China, including Chinese coins dated before 1949) the Chinese take very seriously those who counterfeit Chinese coins dated after 1949. They throw the book at them, from what I understand.
The reason they have a minimum of $25,000 and multiple victim requirements is there are plenty of those criminals to keep them busy.
A sub $100 scam that can't be proved in court doesn't get any resources.
Law Enforcement doesn't have the resources to get involved in business disputes so they have to target the big scammers.
I get that. But what about Ebay? It's their sand box...and should be up to them to police it properly. Why don't they want to try and keep people as customers? They lost me back in 2008. I don't get it.
eBay used to be like the wild west.
When things went wrong, their defense was they were "just a venue" like a newspaper publishing classified ads.
And that defense worked. If you sent someone $10,000 for a picture of a coin sold on Heritage and got nothing, eBay was held harmless.
The problem became public perception. There were too many stories of people sending money and getting ripped off.
eBay's marketing department addressed it with their money back guarantee and launched a major ad campaign that it is safe to buy on eBay. If you don't get what was advertised you get your money back.
So the scammers moved to the other side and became buyers. And a lot of good sellers left. eBay has their "Report a Buyer" link, which the OP should use. If they get a pattern they will NARU the buyer.
In retail there is a concept of "shrinkage" which means a percentage of your inventory shrinks due to a number of factors: theft, damage, lack of tracking, chargebacks etc.
eBay sellers now have to deal with it.
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How is there a return privilege on bullion? I thought that category was exempt
I'm sure eBay makes an exception for counterfeits which this buyer is claiming.
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How is there a return privilege on bullion? I thought that category was exempt
As mentioned previously. If an item is returned, claiming to be a counterfeit, it is not privy to an exemption of any sort in any category.
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WHAT?
Customers are returning counterfeits to sellers for genuine coins?
You are pulling my lariat.
They keep the gennies and return counterfeits.
Thanks. /s
Yes, I do plan to make the buyer's name public knowledge here soon. I will also post links and pictures.
Out him soon. All details
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Yes, I do plan to make the buyer's name public knowledge here soon. I will also post links and pictures.
Out him soon. All details
3d post above yours....
perhaps it is time to get the law involved. Does bullion fall under CIA jurisdiction or Secret service, or ICE?
I do not do bullion stuff at all.
so my question is this:
can "bullion stuff" be photographed ( macro) and certain properties of the item be "registered" within the selling auction description.
example: this items appearance properties have been photographed and registered.
you take a couple of pix and note : obverse TL 4 mm 2 mm mark.... and record several...(obverse, top left is a 2 mm mark)
weight: XXX
dimensions: xxxxx xxxxx
would make it difficult for shysters to send another back!
The weight of the package will not have any influence on the items being fake or not as weight can easy be adjusted. the fact that the law will be involved will open up FeeBays records and possibly reveal other funny stuff.
just thinking aloud
What is weird is that he has a feedback rating of 124, and there are plenty of positive comments from (presumably) coin sellers who have had (presumably) positive experiences with him.
That was not what I was expecting.
Also - he has been on eBay since 2009.
Could this be a hijacked account? Or...?
Perhaps this isn't a scam he intends to do repeatedly. Perhaps the scenario is that he got scammed buying the fake Pandas and decided this was a way to exchange for the real thing.