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  • CCDollarCCDollar Posts: 727 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Very interesting. I put the auction in my favorites to study in the future. Put the PCGS number in the cert verification today and guess what. Sure doesn't look like the coin and holder in a previous HA auction.

    CC

    edited to add: That new reflective strip (or what ever it is) at the top of the printed label that always catches the light and camera is gone.
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  • AUandAGAUandAG Posts: 24,906 ✭✭✭✭✭
    His 1887DMPL does not match auction pics either.



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  • crazyhounddogcrazyhounddog Posts: 14,043 ✭✭✭✭✭
    How can ya tell? I mean about the slab. What's the dead give away?
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  • stealerstealer Posts: 4,029 ✭✭✭✭
    Originally posted by: AUandAG
    His 1887DMPL does not match auction pics either.

    bobimage


    I didn't even notice. Great mismatch of label style and gasket image

    @hounddog, for the original link, look at the serial number and barcode.
  • ShadyDaveShadyDave Posts: 2,217 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Originally posted by: crazyhounddog
    How can ya tell? I mean about the slab. What's the dead give away?


    The colors on the slab insert look pixelated and the "S$1" looks off to me. The seller didn't provide pictures of the reverse of the slab, so no info there on the hologram or anything like that. Plus the gasket

    Looks like a decent fake slab though...would definitely trick newbies.
  • ebaybuyerebaybuyer Posts: 2,984 ✭✭✭
    interesting .... has anyone alerted the seller ? so to keep ahead of this crap, one has to not only be well versed in their respective series but also be very familiar with the font on the slabs
    regardless of how many posts I have, I don't consider myself an "expert" at anything
  • AUandAGAUandAG Posts: 24,906 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I sent seller the following:



    New message to: ahello2u23

    Both this 1921 and your 1887 have sold previously in auctions. How is it that your pictures do not resemble those of the other auctions? Are you selling fake PCGS slabs?

    bob
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  • LindeDadLindeDad Posts: 18,766 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Do they keep the cert. # if re-holdered only?
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  • BillJonesBillJones Posts: 34,699 ✭✭✭✭✭
    If you trace the serial number through the PCGS site, you are lead to a Heritage sale that was a multi coin lot. I copied the Heritage picture and cropped it down to the one coin. Here it is. It appears to be in a "rattle holder."

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    And here is the thing the eBay seller is offering.

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    PCGS now recommends that you check the serial numbers on their site for just this reason. BUT you need to also be able to find the genuine coin to be sure.
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  • CCDollarCCDollar Posts: 727 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Take the '21 PL cert number...enter in PCGS cert number verification...look at the origin coin in the HA records...can a coin tone like that...21 Proof Like Morgans are some what rare...don't know...open to all ideas...

    CC
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  • CCDollarCCDollar Posts: 727 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Thanks Bill...you beat me to it. And yes...I agree...always check the PCGS cert number before bidding/buying...

    CC
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  • NotSureNotSure Posts: 2,980 ✭✭✭
    It might just be me, but the cert label for the seller's 1880 Morgan doesn't look right to me. Too dark/bold, maybe?

    edited....look at the 1918 Lincoln commem seller sold....the cert label LOOKS like an older, 'OGH' yellowish label, yet look at the cert #/series #, the font is way off on that one, and that sold Jan 8th.
    I'll come up with something.
  • DollarAfterDollarDollarAfterDollar Posts: 3,215 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I'm not convinced that the pixelation you see in the picture hasn't got something to do with lighting. I think I see some hint of it in the slab I just got back from PCGS that I'm holding in my hand. The fact that the coin is clearly not the same is obviously a deal breaker. There's clearly something wrong here, exactly what is the question.
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  • CCDollarCCDollar Posts: 727 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Yep...maybe it is the same coin. Perhaps it was stored in a tool bin at a "Strike Anywhere" match factory for a few years...owner forgot he left it...finds it later and stores in the bottom of a hamper...could happen...
    CC
    edited to add: I enlarged the picture as much as I could...the little bitty "pcgs" to the right of the coin does not seem to be there...any one else?
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  • LanceNewmanOCCLanceNewmanOCC Posts: 19,999 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    reminds me of the 5.0

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  • brg5658brg5658 Posts: 2,399 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Alibaba?



    The holder pictured in the auction by the OP doesn't even come close to looking authentic.
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  • stealerstealer Posts: 4,029 ✭✭✭✭
    Originally posted by: LanceNewmanOCC
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    reminds me of the 5.0
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    He sure likes selling counterfeit slabs, and seems to do well doing so.

  • oih82w8oih82w8 Posts: 12,525 ✭✭✭✭✭
    If an OGH holder with a seven digit certification number gets reholdered, a zero is added to the certification number to bring it to eight digits. Been there, done that.
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  • stealerstealer Posts: 4,029 ✭✭✭✭
    Originally posted by: oih82w8
    If an OGH holder with a seven digit certification number gets reholdered, a zero is added to the certification number to bring it to eight digits. Been there, done that.


    Thanks, I didn't know that.
  • astroratastrorat Posts: 9,221 ✭✭✭✭✭
    A giveaway was that the serial number is too short for the current style holder (by one digit). As was pointed out, it is from a rattler style ... but the "coin" matches the PCGS serial number entry.
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  • ashelandasheland Posts: 23,666 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Interesting. Obvious fake.

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  • AUandAGAUandAG Posts: 24,906 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I did get a response this morning.

    I don't think I'm liked.

    bob



    New message from: ahello2u23 (34Yellow Star)

    I have only sold 10 on ebay coins in my entire life. The 1921 I sold yesterday was the only 1921 proof like coin I have ever seen or owned in my life , because they are so rare. You are a slanderous liar and I don't appreciate these accusations. Get a life.
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  • guitarwesguitarwes Posts: 9,289 ✭✭✭
    Bob you bad guy you. shame shame.
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  • ashelandasheland Posts: 23,666 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Originally posted by: AUandAG
    I did get a response this morning.
    I don't think I'm liked.
    bob

    New message from: ahello2u23 (34Yellow Star)
    I have only sold 10 on ebay coins in my entire life. The 1921 I sold yesterday was the only 1921 proof like coin I have ever seen or owned in my life , because they are so rare. You are a slanderous liar and I don't appreciate these accusations. Get a life.


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    because they are so rare
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  • LindeDadLindeDad Posts: 18,766 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Originally posted by: AUandAG

    I did get a response this morning.

    I don't think I'm liked.

    bob



    New message from: ahello2u23 (34Yellow Star)

    I have only sold 10 on ebay coins in my entire life. The 1921 I sold yesterday was the only 1921 proof like coin I have ever seen or owned in my life , because they are so rare. You are a slanderous liar and I don't appreciate these accusations. Get a life.




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  • RichieURichRichieURich Posts: 8,550 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Originally posted by: AUandAG

    I did get a response this morning.

    I don't think I'm liked.

    bob



    New message from: ahello2u23 (34Yellow Star)

    I have only sold 10 on ebay coins in my entire life. The 1921 I sold yesterday was the only 1921 proof like coin I have ever seen or owned in my life , because they are so rare. You are a slanderous liar and I don't appreciate these accusations. Get a life.




    Very telling that his response completely excluded a response to your question as to why his pix didn't match the HA auction picture. He was caught, didn't respond to the question, just resorted to name-calling. Why didn't he respond to your question? Probably because there is no response he could come up with that makes his case.



    Also, when PCGS changed to the new holder, they dropped the initial "0" from the first part of the cert number. With that holder, the cert should start with 7297.63 and NOT 07297.63.



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  • BubbleheadBubblehead Posts: 1,621 ✭✭✭
    Their '82-S looks fake, too...??
  • ZoinsZoins Posts: 34,401 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Originally posted by: LanceNewmanOCC
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    reminds me of the 5.0
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    Here's a PCGS MS65PL OGH that sold for $260.00.

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  • CCDollarCCDollar Posts: 727 ✭✭✭✭✭
    The stacking lugs in the corners...the printing...the mold marks...geeze...
    CC
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  • rickoricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭
    More ebay con jobs.... yep, the more I see, the more I am convinced that ebay is just

    not worth the effort. Cheers, RickO
  • LanceNewmanOCCLanceNewmanOCC Posts: 19,999 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    good education to see these.



    in-hand i bet the coins and slabs are just sooo obvious if so obvious from those poor excuse for images.



    tx for posting. image

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  • messydeskmessydesk Posts: 20,247 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Still waiting to read about PCGS coming down on someone for selling fake slabs. Without a seller getting their clock cleaned, there's really no apparent downside to trying to rip people off like this.
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  • LanceNewmanOCCLanceNewmanOCC Posts: 19,999 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Originally posted by: messydesk

    Still waiting to read about PCGS coming down on someone for selling fake slabs. Without a seller getting their clock cleaned, there's really no apparent downside to trying to rip people off like this.




    the info is out there. came across a little a while back. didn't search too much.

    .

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  • TwoSides2aCoinTwoSides2aCoin Posts: 44,527 ✭✭✭✭✭
    The all new "WTF" holder.


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    ``https://ebay.us/m/KxolR5

  • bob48bob48 Posts: 460 ✭✭✭
    PCGS Rattlers are the only holder I have ever seen with a leading "0" in front of the coin number.
    Bob

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