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eric2870eric2870 Posts: 12
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http://s1318.photobucket.com/u...smtt0miwh.jpg.html?o=0



I posted this about two weeks ago in the Q&A forum, and didn't get any responses. I'm new here, so I don't know if I just put it in the wrong place or what, but I thought I'd give it another chance, here.



I found this coin about 20 years ago and it caught my eye so I set it aside. I looked online for info, but never found anything. I took it in to a coin dealer fifteen years ago, he looked at it without a loupe, for less than 5 seconds and said, "Somebody crimped it with some pliars", and threw it back at me. About 5 years ago I took it to another coin shop, and darn the luck it turned out to be the same guy with the same theory. I'm not usually this stubborn, but I just don't accept his answer; the obverse looks likd it's been solidly stamped (it's a 1983 P btw), and shows no sign of being crimped, where the reverse didn't get all the details of a good stamp so I assume that something hindered it. Any help, info, or advice would be appreciated.

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  • AUandAGAUandAG Posts: 25,027 ✭✭✭✭✭
    can't wait to hear what would cause this.



    You say the front is normal looking? Got a pic?



    Never any action on the Q & A forum.



    This is the right place.



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  • oih82w8oih82w8 Posts: 13,021 ✭✭✭✭✭
    image



    Not sure what to make of this.



    I just noticed that it is your avatar...image
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  • lunytune2lunytune2 Posts: 1,077 ✭✭✭
    Is the surface normal or cupped ?
  • dcarrdcarr Posts: 10,039 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Looks like it was stuck in some sort of spinning machinery (such as a coin counter) which caused the rim to wear down with a spiral pattern.
    When I was a kid I would check the local laundromat for coins stuck inside the large rotating drum dryers. Dimes could get stuck part way under the dividers. Many of those coins I found had very odd wear patterns.
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  • BroadstruckBroadstruck Posts: 30,497 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Kind of cool, but that's post mint damage as this is not a mint made error.
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  • lunytune2lunytune2 Posts: 1,077 ✭✭✭
    Almost looks like it was in a machine that manufactures worm gears .
  • guitarwesguitarwes Posts: 9,308 ✭✭✭
    Originally posted by: lunytune2

    Almost looks like it was in a machine that manufactures worm gears .




    Exactly what I was thinking.
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  • epcjimi1epcjimi1 Posts: 3,489 ✭✭✭
    Whqt does the obverse look like?
  • RampageRampage Posts: 9,646 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Post Mint Damage (PMD).
  • FredWeinbergFredWeinberg Posts: 6,025 ✭✭✭✭✭
    PM'D

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  • eric2870eric2870 Posts: 12
    http://s1318.photobucket.com/u...pg.html?sort=3&o=0



    http://s1318.photobucket.com/u...pg.html?sort=3&o=1





    Above are links to the obverse and the side views that I just took quickly. It's not cupped as best as I can tell.
  • SeatedHalf1839SeatedHalf1839 Posts: 75 ✭
    Im not sure but my gut says PMD.
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  • eric2870eric2870 Posts: 12
    It also seems overly coincidental to me, if this effect were from an outside source, that the "grooves" aren't uniform, but they line up with the high points of the letters.

  • silverpopsilverpop Posts: 6,916 ✭✭✭✭✭
    PMD

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  • coindeucecoindeuce Posts: 13,507 ✭✭✭✭✭
    The metal shear effect caused the tops of the reverse motto letters to flare out in a radial pattern. Post Mint damage.

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  • rickoricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Definitely PMD..... May never identify the cause......Cheers, RickO
  • EarlyUSEarlyUS Posts: 306 ✭✭✭
    It looks like fairly common counting wheel damage to me.
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  • cladkingcladking Posts: 29,892 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Originally posted by: eric2870

    http://s1318.photobucket.com/u...pg.html?sort=3&o=0



    http://s1318.photobucket.com/u...pg.html?sort=3&o=1





    Above are links to the obverse and the side views that I just took quickly. It's not cupped as best as I can tell.




    I'd go look but just got 30 cookies for looking at the last picture.



    I think DCarr is on the right track.



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  • CoinstudyCoinstudy Posts: 287 ✭
    I call them home made errors.
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