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Cougar1978Cougar1978 Posts: 8,818 ✭✭✭✭✭
Is it up to 12 hours before auction close you can cancel bids and end an ebay item?

Your slabbed $85 coin is about to close on ebay and you have a short time left to end it (and cancel any bids before auction close) and it has just one bidder at $9.95. What would you do?

A. Leave it alone and let her rip, TOFT.
B. End it, cancelling the bid and just throw it back in the store at retail.
C. End it, and put it in the box of coins your giving to your child or grandchild who is a young collector for xmas.
D. End it and just bury it in your bankbox for another few years.

A friend recently had this situation which is no surprise in this market. He was very distraught when he found out he could not end it (there was just half hour left in auction).
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  • davewesendavewesen Posts: 6,689 ✭✭✭✭✭
    how many watchers?

    If they are your friend, shill for them.
  • Coin FinderCoin Finder Posts: 7,425 ✭✭✭✭✭


    Nope, I honor true auctions...
  • AUandAGAUandAG Posts: 24,942 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Don't worry, just let it ride. Most bidders bid in the last minute or less.



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  • oih82w8oih82w8 Posts: 12,611 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Ditto...some people like to bid in the last minute...I know I do!



    Let it ride! BTW...what is the coin?
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  • jwittenjwitten Posts: 5,237 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Ebay charges final value fees now for canceled listings like that. On a $10 bid, that isn't much, but I have had to cancel $200 listing before because of errors in the listing. Ouch. I try to let all auctions go for whatever they bring.
  • Jackthecat1Jackthecat1 Posts: 1,122 ✭✭✭
    Quite a dilemma. It might sell for 10 bucks or escalate into a bidding war and sell for $150. I guess it depends on your tolerance for risk. Since my risk tolerance is low I would have started it at $74.99.
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  • pennyanniepennyannie Posts: 3,929 ✭✭✭
    I let it ride myself and live with the results.
    Mark
    NGC registry V-Nickel proof #6!!!!
    working on proof shield nickels # 8 with a bullet!!!!

    RIP "BEAR"
  • deefree49deefree49 Posts: 282 ✭✭✭
    I've been in that situation and was very nervous that I was going to do very poorly. Then in the last couple of minutes, it went crazy and the thing sold for almost double the amount I was hoping for. Usually it works out pretty well. You are going to have good and bad and in the end it will average out ok. I also don't believe in shill bidding and while that may be stupid on my part, I just don't want to go there. I just believe it is better to play fair and feel good about it. To each his own of course and that is just me. I wouldn't tell someone what to do in their auction.
    Lincoln coin lover, especially Matte Proofs
  • BryceMBryceM Posts: 11,863 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Once you've made that bed it's probably best to sleep in it. Better to figure out your risk tolerance level before starting the auction. But, like the others said, it's likely it will zoom to an acceptable level at the last minute.
  • BochimanBochiman Posts: 25,556 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I'd let it ride as I made the decision to list it that way.



    That said, what did it end at for your "friend"?





    btw...if someone lists it as a true auction, there is no "TOFT" (take one for the team), as that is a fair listing.

    I've been told I tolerate fools poorly...that may explain things if I have a problem with you. Current ebay items - Nothing at the moment

  • OldIndianNutKaseOldIndianNutKase Posts: 2,715 ✭✭✭✭✭
    From your post, I don't think that you have the courage to sell on eBay, or any other auction venue for that matter. Can you no longer have a reserve on eBay? Certainly reserves exist on Heritage and Legend auctions.

    If you paid too much for your inventory then an auction will not likely bail you out. If you want to sell at the best price, you shouild probably buy a table at a major show, if you have a superior coin that is not well represented by internet pictures. Loss can be a significant risk in any business.

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  • au58au58 Posts: 1,288 ✭✭✭
    Ebay is not a true auction. They won't be a true auction unless they change the bidding format to allow some period of time (say 5 minutes) after the last bid to declare the item sold. A format that allows sniping is not a true auction.
  • jessewvujessewvu Posts: 5,065 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I would do absolutely nothing. Maybe congratulate the buyer for their great deal.
  • amwldcoinamwldcoin Posts: 11,269 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I avoid any seller who does this! I have sold coins at 10 cents on the dollar before. I have been on ebay since 1998 and have never ended an auction early. If you can't take the risk then start the auction at the lowest price you are willing to sell it for! The only time I list low start auctions now are lost leaders to attract people into my store. I write it off to advertising.
  • zas107zas107 Posts: 831 ✭✭✭
    In my experience at least 50% of bidding seems to be done in the last minute of the auction. Just a guesstimate however. I have seen coins increase several thousand % within the last 10 seconds of an ebay auction even.
  • DaveWcoinsDaveWcoins Posts: 1,185 ✭✭✭
    Originally posted by: thebigeng



    Nope, I honor true auctions...




    +1
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  • ctf_error_coinsctf_error_coins Posts: 15,433 ✭✭✭✭✭
    No, an auction is an auction.

    In fact, I lost money on two 99 cent start auctions last night.
  • TwoSides2aCoinTwoSides2aCoin Posts: 44,623 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I take my bumps with me bruises.
  • LindeDadLindeDad Posts: 18,766 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Most sniper tools bid at the 5 second mark. BTW a lot of $85.00 cost items are only worth $9.99 anymore.
  • FlatwoodsFlatwoods Posts: 4,247 ✭✭✭✭✭
    No.
  • TwoSides2aCoinTwoSides2aCoin Posts: 44,623 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Got one of them baseball hall of fame coins from MCM for $149., some time ago.
    Told one of my "helpers" to list it…. It's up to $9 . Don't know about them key word spammers. Should have told him to put Cal Ripken Jr in the title. image
  • TwoSides2aCoinTwoSides2aCoin Posts: 44,623 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Originally posted by: Cougar1978
    Is it up to 12 hours before auction close you can cancel bids and end an ebay item?

    Your slabbed $85 coin is about to close on ebay and you have a short time left to end it (and cancel any bids before auction close) and it has just one bidder at $9.95. What would you do?

    A. Leave it alone and let her rip, TOFT.
    B. End it, cancelling the bid and just throw it back in the store at retail.
    C. End it, and put it in the box of coins your giving to your child or grandchild who is a young collector for xmas.
    D. End it and just bury it in your bankbox for another few years.

    A friend recently had this situation which is no surprise in this market. He was very distraught when he found out he could not end it (there was just half hour left in auction).


    Retail is no fun online, at ebay. That's just showboating
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  • DollarAfterDollarDollarAfterDollar Posts: 3,215 ✭✭✭✭✭
    If E-Bay still charges a final value fee you might as well have a friend shill bid it for you in the last 5 seconds. A sniper program will protect you from a complete loss but then set the final bid at a reasonable number, not your dream number. E-Bay will allow for a reserve at the cost of $2.00 per listing. Some of the biggest sellers von E-Bay have the benefit of an algorythm that puts their listing in front of buyers first because they pay the greatest commission to E-Bay.

    In short, the game is rigged by E-Bay and their biggest sellers. There's no crime in protecting yourself from a huge loss.
    If you do what you always did, you get what you always got.
  • TwoSides2aCoinTwoSides2aCoin Posts: 44,623 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Originally posted by: DollarAfterDollar
    If E-Bay still charges a final value fee you might as well have a friend shill bid it for you in the last 5 seconds. A sniper program will protect you from a complete loss be then set the final bid at a reasonable number, not your dream number.


    Shill bidding is against the law. I have family/friends who are not allowed to bid even when it's well below "fair market value". And then there's an item still in possession of the owner who just doesn't want to sell. And that's why he puts a RETAIL price on it.

    Opportunity is always available at a lower than expected price for the picker.
  • garrynotgarrynot Posts: 1,874 ✭✭✭
    Originally posted by: AUandAG

    Don't worry, just let it ride. Most bidders bid in the last minute or less.



    bobimage




    Right. I've seen moon bids come in the last seconds of a listing. Others end with a whimper. It's impossible to predict.
  • rickoricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Let it ride.... I always won my ebay auctions in the last 3 seconds (don't do ebay anymore)...

    more fun that way... Cheers, RickO
  • OPAOPA Posts: 17,143 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Originally posted by: au58
    Ebay is not a true auction. They won't be a true auction unless they change the bidding format to allow some period of time (say 5 minutes) after the last bid to declare the item sold. A format that allows sniping is not a true auction.


    Not so sure about your statement. I've never been to an auction, where it's not final until 5 minutes after the gavel falls.
    "Bongo drive 1984 Lincoln that looks like old coin dug from ground."
  • derrybderryb Posts: 37,691 ✭✭✭✭✭
    You can eliminate this problem if you list all your items buy it now with a starting price that is the lowest you are will to accept. Offer free shipping and build that into your start price. And don't include "Make Offer." That tells a buyer your BIN price is a pipe dream.

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  • jesbrokenjesbroken Posts: 10,627 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I understand sniping to mean placing a high bid in the closing seconds of an auction. I do not understand why anyone would be averse to this practice. If you want an item bid your max and if you get it, you get it, if not someone else wanted it more than you did or maybe valued the coin for more than you did. Regardless, why should someone bidding at the last moment bother anyone if they outbid everyone. JMO

    Jim



    edited to add: Sorry I didn't answer your original post, but no I would not pull an auction and never have.

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  • LindeDadLindeDad Posts: 18,766 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Actually I think under the newest rules if a pattern of this action is shown they will cancel your account.
  • Cougar1978Cougar1978 Posts: 8,818 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Disagree

    I have been selling on ebay since 1998 and at shows since 1990. As for me, I will start cheap material low but more expensive material probably not less than BV or say 20% behind bid.
    Investor
  • Cougar1978Cougar1978 Posts: 8,818 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Originally posted by: Bochiman
    I'd let it ride as I made the decision to list it that way.

    That said, what did it end at for your "friend"?


    btw...if someone lists it as a true auction, there is no "TOFT" (take one for the team), as that is a fair listing.


    He ended the item and listed it in his store at retail. It had a $9.95 bid on an item worth $85. Any ebay fee on the cancellation was immaterial compared to getting ripped.
    Investor
  • Cougar1978Cougar1978 Posts: 8,818 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Originally posted by: LindeDad
    Most sniper tools bid at the 5 second mark. BTW a lot of $85.00 cost items are only worth $9.99 anymore.


    Good point, and your very correct on items bringing a fraction of value in this market.
    Investor
  • mustangmanbobmustangmanbob Posts: 1,890 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Either you can handle the stress or not.

    Stop looking, wait for the end of auction listing results, or just list with either a buy it now or a higher opening bid.

    HOWEVER, there are about 2 trillion eyes looking at ebay, programs running to look for "deals", saved searches looking for outliers, misspellings, etc.

    Do not think you item is "hidden".

    An $85 is NOT 6 sigma rare.

    Soooo, If it goes for $22, then that is probably, at this time of the earth's movement across the cosmos, is what it is worth to the highest bidder out there.

    IMHO, the Buy It Now is where the deals often lurk. I bought 3 items this morning, that, according to my data set, WAY underpriced. Tax refunds are starting to hit, so buying is increasing PLUS taxes due are starting to hit, so LISTING is picking up.
  • jwittenjwitten Posts: 5,237 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I sell mostly coins that go for over $250 (mostly gold), and start everything 99 cents no reserve. Most do ok. And I am surprised how many here suggest shilling, for as many threads as I've seens tarted complaining about shillers.
  • TigersFan2TigersFan2 Posts: 1,442 ✭✭
    Originally posted by: Cougar1978
    Is it up to 12 hours before auction close you can cancel bids and end an ebay item?

    Your slabbed $85 coin is about to close on ebay and you have a short time left to end it (and cancel any bids before auction close) and it has just one bidder at $9.95. What would you do?

    A. Leave it alone and let her rip, TOFT.
    B. End it, cancelling the bid and just throw it back in the store at retail.
    C. End it, and put it in the box of coins your giving to your child or grandchild who is a young collector for xmas.
    D. End it and just bury it in your bankbox for another few years.

    A friend recently had this situation which is no surprise in this market. He was very distraught when he found out he could not end it (there was just half hour left in auction).


    Perhaps your $85 coins isn't an $85 coin.

    During the past 18 months or so, I've had probably 1 bid cancelled by a seller. Until this weekend. Saturday I had 2 of my bids cancelled by 2 different sellers. Both auctions were nearing 1 day to go and apparently each seller got scared he wouldn't get his desired bid. Both auctions got relisted with much higher (actually ridiculous) starting bids.

    The reality is that most bidding occurs during the last hour of the auction. If your item is a common item, you'll get your bid. If your item is something unusual with a small market, then you're best to cancel and relist at a higher starting bid.

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  • TopographicOceansTopographicOceans Posts: 6,535 ✭✭✭✭
    I wish I could get $9.95 for my $85 coins on eBayimage
  • pennyanniepennyannie Posts: 3,929 ✭✭✭
    If your friend (wink wink) can't handle a simple auction the rest of his life must be a mess.
    Mark
    NGC registry V-Nickel proof #6!!!!
    working on proof shield nickels # 8 with a bullet!!!!

    RIP "BEAR"
  • BochimanBochiman Posts: 25,556 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I'd like to know seller IDs that cancel bids and auctions like that.

    I would rather not waste any effort on bidding on their coins as someone doing something like that is not someone who I believe I could depend on.

    I've been told I tolerate fools poorly...that may explain things if I have a problem with you. Current ebay items - Nothing at the moment

  • thebeavthebeav Posts: 3,928 ✭✭✭✭✭
    NEVER........Nor would I request a shill.....
    I've had people offer me more than an item is worth to end an auction. My allegiance will always be with the present high bidder.
    If an item brings more than you expect, do you refund the buyer?
  • TwoSides2aCoinTwoSides2aCoin Posts: 44,623 ✭✭✭✭✭
    And miss the opportunity to sell Fred Weinberg a coin ? Never.
  • determineddetermined Posts: 771 ✭✭✭
    If a seller makes a habit of ending auctions early I will avoid all of his auctions in the future. Why waste my time if he's going to end it?
    I collect history in the form of coins.
  • georgiacop50georgiacop50 Posts: 2,909 ✭✭✭✭
    Surprised nobody mentioned ebay seller and forumite Pharmer (who thankfully seems to be gone from both venues). He was infamous for doing this. It was his business model.... if the coin didn't have good bids he would end it just at the 12 hour mark.
  • Cougar1978Cougar1978 Posts: 8,818 ✭✭✭✭✭

    B. End it and throw it back in the store at retail. Done this on a number of occasions.

    I am not going to let myself get ripped.

    Have done this and in one instance the item sold at retail a week later.

    I would suggest you review all auctions well before the 12 hours before close that you are locked in. Any that appear too low or lame in bidding activity I would consider ending. $9.95 might be a good start for something that melts at $18 but for an $85 coin perhaps a start at blue sheet or perhaps 5% less. Many of them are too lame or broke even to bid on that. TOFT - are you kidding - for people who will not pay the money - never! Even strippers don't do that lol.

    Investor
  • AUandAGAUandAG Posts: 24,942 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @AUandAG said:
    Don't worry, just let it ride. Most bidders bid in the last minute or less.

    bob

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  • BryceMBryceM Posts: 11,863 ✭✭✭✭✭

    zombie thread resurrection warning.......

  • PokermandudePokermandude Posts: 2,713 ✭✭✭

    When I list an auction at 99 cents with no reserve, I'm rolling the dice and whatever it ends at is the selling price. There are certain items which I have learned to not let rip at auctions.

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  • thebeavthebeav Posts: 3,928 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I would never !
    Just what in my life would change if my 9 hundred dollar coin brought 60 bucks ?
    Nothing I can think of.
    An auction is an auction.

  • JKTJKT Posts: 492 ✭✭✭

    No chance I would end it early.

    Ive had it done on a coin I was winning (had a max bid already entered at well above market value...and I strongly doubt I was the only one.....so I suspect the seller's cold feet cost him in the end). Messaged the seller, who had a feedback of over 7000 at the time, and he responded that he "just couldn't take the chance".

    Why on earth would he list it $0.99 NR to begin with? I strongly agree with thebeav's above statement, "An auction is an auction".

    Always looking for tougher PSA 10's of Nolan Arenado, Alex Bregman, Mookie Betts, Francisco Lindor, and Mike Trout.

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