The NYINC Newp thread

Boosibri · January 4, 2016 5:14AM

One acquired via a forum dealer friend for my Latin American type set

SmEagle1795 · January 4, 2016 5:25AM

Wow, that's a heck of a coin! The portrait looks very Nero-esque.

A mailbidder already blew me out of the water on the main lot I was after

I'm somewhat scrambling to reformulate a new plan now with alternate coins. I'm grateful that they bid early enough so that I won't leave home empty handed, but it came as quite a shock!

MilkmanDan · January 4, 2016 5:45AM

Awesome coin Boosibri. I viewed this coin a while back and was blown away by the sideburn detail. I primarily handle Mexican portraits and they just never come this well struck.

The toning is very nice as well, congrats!

harasha · January 4, 2016 7:44AM

That is an unusually nice Ferdy. One reason I show little interest in Hispanic coins and medals from his reign is that they are so darn ugly. And because Ferdinand VII was such a wretched individual, to my understanding, unlike his father and grandfather. Again, in my opinion.

harasha · January 4, 2016 7:46AM

Wow, just took a look at your type set. I put together a type set of my own, but nothing near as nice.
Is there an underlying theme to your set, or are you collecting spectacular coins as you come across them?

Tookybandit · January 4, 2016 9:29AM

Absolutely stunning! Thanks for sharing, that is a beauty!!!

Tookybandit · January 4, 2016 9:29AM

Absolutely stunning! Thanks for sharing, that is a beauty!!!

ProofArtworkonCircs · January 4, 2016 10:42AM

How come the Mexico Mint Mark ("M") does not have a small "o" over it?

marcmoish · January 4, 2016 11:14AM

Beautiful NEWP, and yup agreed his type set is super nice.

Zohar · January 4, 2016 11:42AM

Beautiful!

pruebas · January 4, 2016 12:54PM

Originally posted by: ProofArtworkonCircs

How come the Mexico Mint Mark ("M") does not have a small "o" over it?

Because it's not Mexico City. It's Guatemala (NG).

EVillageProwler · January 4, 2016 1:15PM

Originally posted by: pruebas

Originally posted by: ProofArtworkonCircs
How come the Mexico Mint Mark ("M") does not have a small "o" over it?

Because it's not Mexico City. It's Guatemala (NG).

I think the 'M' in this case stands for the moneyer or mint master or someone like that.

EVillageProwler · January 4, 2016 1:16PM

BTW, nice 8R! Pretty!

Boosibri · January 4, 2016 2:28PM

Thanks! Any more NYINC news to share?

ProofArtworkonCircs · January 5, 2016 2:21AM

Thanks for the education. I was too used to one letter for the mint and two for the moneyer(s).

Jackthecat1 · January 5, 2016 6:39AM

A beautiful coin. My first Spanish Colonial was a Ferdinand 8 R in AG or so. Must have been 35 years ago. If those coins could talk!

EVillageProwler · January 5, 2016 8:16AM

Got shut out in today's afternoon session of CNG. My focus was on the Anglo-Saxon material. The good stuff went very strong, including some bringing more than what they have been selling at on dealers' FPL. I had my eye on three pieces in particular, and they all brought more than I thought was middle-of-the-road retail value.

One coin of note: the Alfred Londonia piece, which IMO is nicer than the Newman piece, brought just a bit more than half of the Newman piece. The Newman coin was in a 63 holder, and somewhat nice, hammered at over $40k. I think the Andrew piece had nicer eye appeal and hammered at (IIRC) $23k.

EVP

marcmoish · January 5, 2016 9:12AM

SWEET!!!

I love the reverse - my kind of rear!

Syracusian · January 5, 2016 9:18AM

Blown away! I LOVE the date!

I'll post mine when and if I win them.

Zohar · January 5, 2016 11:25AM

I bought one lot on CNG today, somewhat off scope yet the design and coin in had was quite appealing.

GERMANY, Braunschweig-Calenberg-Hannover (Kurfürstentum und Herzogtum). Georg II. As King of Great Britain, 1727-1760. AR Taler (41mm, 29.45 g, 6h). Weisser Schawn (White Swan) Mine. Zellerfeld mint. Dually dated Luciae (Autumn) 1732 and 1756 IBH. Crowned coat-of-arms / Swan swimming left on lake; Wiesser Schawn (White Swan) mine in background. Smith 131; Welter 2568; Davenport 2097; KM 291. EF, toned.

marcmoish · January 5, 2016 12:02PM

AWESOME newp Z!

Look at the strike and the details.

That's a 62 from where I am sitting, and I bet that toning is really pretty in the swan area/reverse.

Tibor · January 5, 2016 12:27PM

Very nice! The reverse is especially so. What is going on between the

letters R and A in the word GRATIA on the obverse?

Zohar · January 5, 2016 12:38PM

Thanks guys. Not sure I see GRATIA anywhere?

brg5658 · January 5, 2016 12:41PM

Originally posted by: Zohar

Thanks guys. Not sure I see GRATIA anywhere?

Talking about the 8R...and it looks like a die crack to me.

Zohar · January 5, 2016 12:43PM

Oops... sorry for that... tough to track the thread responses relative to coins. Perhaps better to clear my post from this one.

Tibor · January 5, 2016 1:51PM

At the time I placed my response, Zohar's post had

not appeared on my computer. Both pieces are very

nice. I hope everyone is enjoying the show.

SmEagle1795 · January 6, 2016 8:49AM

I didn't win my two main lots (Berenike dekadrachm and Athens gold stater) but I have won six coins so far. Some were a battle, others surprisingly cheap. I'll share them here once I have them in hand

Syracusian · January 7, 2016 4:01AM

2/2 so far and at starting prices, no competition at all.Both very rare even as specimens. Still waiting for another 4 notes in 3 days and one coin in 4 days.

pruebas · January 7, 2016 5:16AM

Despite sitting in hours of auctions over several days, I've only managed one win so far. CNG Session 2. Slabbed NGC AU58 and among the best of the rarer facing eagle type.

EVillageProwler · January 7, 2016 5:38AM

Bought two coins today.

First one is a raw 1791 30 Tari from Sicily. It's a massive coin that likely grades between 58 and 61. No pic, so I will describe it: deep original grey-brown patina, not charcoal or ugly, on well-struck surfaces. A wholesome planchet. Very pleasing, if "size matters" is to be believed.

Second coin is an Anglo-Saxon penny, S-1160, the jewel cross type. Issued in the name of Cnut, it is believed to be issued posthumously by the widow Queen Emma. There is some who argue that this is really an issue of Cnut's official heir, Harthacnut, as some pennies issued under his authority actually used Cnut's name. There are three jewel cross type pennies: S-1160 (Cnut), S-1163 (Harold I) and S-1167 (Harthacnut). I am missing S-1163, which is the most common and in fact I know of several pieces on the market now as I type. The S-1167 is more expensive than the S-1160, but I'm not sure which is actually rarer. I have a picture of my new S-1160, but haven't uploaded it yet and so I have no link to it. Soon.

EVP

Analyst · January 7, 2016 8:41AM

BoosiBri:Thanks! Any more NYINC news to share?

My 'newp' is an article I wrote about English Hammered coins in the Heritage and Stack's-Bowers auctions. I viewed many other coins in both auctions and would be delighted to talk about them in this forum or elsewhere.

British Gold Coins Lead Auctions in New York

pruebas · January 7, 2016 10:51AM

No offense, Analyst, but the "news" at NYINC was the Dr. Adams gold sale Wednesday, not the booooring Heritage sale.

While the Heritage sale may have lead NY, it was overshadowed by CNG in every way.

Edited to add: Maybe you were off to sunny Florida, but you left a day too early!

EVillageProwler · January 7, 2016 11:34AM

For Anglo-Saxon, it was again CNG with the incredible Andrews collection.

Anyway, back to NYINC newps:

Thanks to OriginalDan, here is my S-1160 (pic by the seller to my seller):

And, I bought a third coin today, another 30 Tari, dated 1793. No pic. This one is on a thicker planchet, but smaller diameter. A wholesome planchet and strike, but with irregular toning that is mostly very lightly toned with localized darker toning patch on each side. My guess is that the irregular toning is from grubby, unclean handling a long time ago, then the coin got put away in a drawer or some such. The coin should grade AU55.

EVP

JCMhouston · January 7, 2016 11:44AM

Good article analyst.

EVillageProwler · January 7, 2016 9:19PM

Pardon the bad iPhone pics (and, again, thanks for OriginalDan for hosting these pics while I'm at the show)...

The 1791:

The 1793:

worldcoinguy · January 8, 2016 8:28AM

EVP - love that new drink coaster. I think it has a solid shot at 61.

worldcoinguy · January 8, 2016 8:38AM

Boosibri - I dont think they get more attractive than that. This 8R is the full package in my eyes.

pruebas - Very nice piece - I think these AU58 with some rub and personality are very attractive. Details look very sharp.

SYRACUSIAN - I love the notes. I think we need more mixed in with our coin threads now and then for the full monetary experience. I have a stack of a couple dozen Spanish notes from the early 20th century hidden aware somewhere that I really should image.

Analyst · January 8, 2016 11:44AM

Pruebas:No offense, Analyst, but the "news" at NYINC was the Dr. Adams gold sale Wednesday, not the booooring Heritage sale. ... While the Heritage sale may have lead NY, it was overshadowed by CNG in every way.

One way to avoid making unfair and misleading arguments about my articles is to actually read them. I was not comparing the sales of the various auction firms. That article was published on Thursday. I was not then commenting as to which auction was the most exciting. Also, my article was NOT a review of the Heritage sale.

Among other points, I discussed the details of British gold coins in the Heritage and Stack's-Bowers sales. There were just a few British gold coins in the Adams sale by CNG, and those were not as important as the corresponding or directly relevant pieces in the Heritage and Stack's-Bowers events. An overall point is that, among all categories of world coins (since 500 AD), the auctions at this year's convention will be best remembered for British gold coins, including coins of former British colonies and of the British commonwealth. As a category of world coins (since 500 AD), British gold coins were the 'big news' of the week.

British Gold Coins Lead Auctions in New York

jcmHouston:Good article, Analyst.

Thanks, it is sad that JCM could not attend this year. Hopefully, he will be back in NY in 2017.

harasha · January 8, 2016 12:38PM

I agree with worldcoinguy about the notes. Lovely splashes of color in the thread, at the very least. Thank you for the eye candy, Dimitri!

I have started to image my purchases from Thursday and probably will add more items to image, tomorrow.

As for posting, because the Forum website is so aggravating with new posts, I may have to simplify things. I will apologize in advance if my future posts become disorderly.

Zohar · January 8, 2016 1:17PM

I saw EVPs coins in hand and they are superb. I will write up my thoughts on the show's experience and market observations once I recover from 2 significant events of the day. Both nice.

EVillageProwler · January 8, 2016 2:13PM

Note to forum friends: stay tuned for Zohar's forthcoming update, because it's a major accomplishment. I am honored that he asked me stand with him as he endeavored to achieve this.

EVP

Syracusian · January 10, 2016 1:37AM

Originally posted by: harasha
....
Is there an underlying theme to your set, or are you collecting spectacular coins as you come across them?

___________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________If in the "spectacular" category, you normally wait till they pop out, unexpectedly. If the purchases have the same source though, you start getting special treatment too.

Jackthecat1 · January 10, 2016 7:41AM

Here are two new additions to my 20th Century German Empire collection from my Friday visit to the NYINC.

marcmoish · January 11, 2016 7:06AM

I got wiped on the few I was chasing but did push and snared this one - was looking for a Rouble with nice eye appeal for a spell.

Zohar · January 11, 2016 8:34AM

Jack = very nice pickups. Congrats.

Marc - wonderful pickup. I saw this in hand and its undergraded, I believe 62. Touch of wear on the eagles beaks but otherwise no issues.

coinkat · January 11, 2016 9:00AM

I bought a Rudolf Bosselt medal and two 1959 Bermuda Crowns- this coin may have been the largest (in terms of silver weight) issued for commerce in the British Empire

MrEureka · January 11, 2016 11:24AM

My favorite purchase.

bidask · January 11, 2016 12:01PM

Originally posted by: MrEureka
My favorite purchase.

What is it !? ??

MrEureka · January 11, 2016 12:37PM

It's a 1752 Guatemala 8 Reales, countermarked by Costa Rica in 1846.

pruebas · January 11, 2016 1:09PM

Originally posted by: MrEureka

It's a 1752 Guatemala 8 Reales, countermarked by Costa Rica in 1846.

I'm assuming it weighs about 27g, as an 8R should. So:

Why the "8" punch?

Why counterstamp an 8 Reales with only a 2R stamp?

Zohar · January 11, 2016 1:36PM

Never seen that

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