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Awesome Feuchtwanger die trial - Low-119B, HT-266

ZoinsZoins Posts: 34,406 ✭✭✭✭✭
edited March 25, 2019 4:45AM in U.S. Coin Forum
Just ran across this awesome ex-Berngard die trial on HA. Sometimes you see something that just knocks your socks off.

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  • cmerlo1cmerlo1 Posts: 8,007 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Wow- and struck over a Conder token to boot!
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  • ChristosChristos Posts: 950 ✭
    That is very neat...
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  • coinsarefuncoinsarefun Posts: 21,780 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Originally posted by: Realone
    Now thats uberrkewel!


    You took the words right outta my mouth.!!!


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  • DCWDCW Posts: 7,737 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Wow! I wonder if ambro picked that one up for his awesome Feuchtwanger collection?

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  • rickoricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Wow... impressive....Cheers, RickO
  • CaptHenwayCaptHenway Posts: 33,354 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Why doesn't somebody post a picture of one of the finished tokens?
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  • ZoinsZoins Posts: 34,406 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited December 26, 2017 9:22PM
    Went out and found this ex-Oechsner piece for you Tom. Not only is the above the first die trail of this type I've seen, the below is the first TrueView variety of its kind I've seen:

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  • johnny9434johnny9434 Posts: 30,536 ✭✭✭✭✭
    way cool.
  • ZoinsZoins Posts: 34,406 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Thanks for the information (in the now deleted post). It's good to know that the die trial may not be genuine after an in-hand inspection and that more investigation would be useful.
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  • CaptHenwayCaptHenway Posts: 33,354 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Thanks for the picture.



    Now, what was in the deleted post? Could somebody send me a direct?
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  • ZoinsZoins Posts: 34,406 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Originally posted by: CaptHenway

    Now, what was in the deleted post?



    A quick summary is that a forum member made an in-hand inspection with a loupe in 2008 and questions remained about whether the die trial was genuine.


    There was a request to do an image overlay with a struck specimen for comparison which seems reasonable and worthwhile.
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  • CaptHenwayCaptHenway Posts: 33,354 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Sounds like a reasonable request.
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  • Aegis3Aegis3 Posts: 2,925 ✭✭✭
    Here's my overlay. It's clearly the same device. Whether it's the same die is a more difficult question. The trial could not have been struck after the token; as grounding down the dentils and date (either selectively or not) would either yield wildly uneven fields or loss of much of the design.


    So before then? Check the device punch, then add date and dentils, perhaps lathing the die down to size first? Personally I cannot rule it out. But the trial looks to be struck from a die that is rusted (though since I suspect the Conder design was lathed down on the punch side, I don't want to say anything definitive). So I wouldn't be confident in saying that the piece is a device punch trial from the same die as the token. So perhaps from a second die? Who knows; I'd have to say I'm not sure what to make of it.


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  • Aegis3Aegis3 Posts: 2,925 ✭✭✭
    I'm gonna ttt this. Plus, thinking about it a bit more, I notice the punch trial shows nothing indicative of a possible edge to the die.
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  • ZoinsZoins Posts: 34,406 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Originally posted by: Aegis3

    I'm gonna ttt this. Plus, thinking about it a bit more, I notice the punch trial shows nothing indicative of a possible edge to the die.




    At least one Feuchtwanger die has a much wider mid-section than at the token face. Is it possible that the die, when made, had a much wider face that was able to strike this die trial, before being cut down to a smaller token face?
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  • ZoinsZoins Posts: 34,406 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited March 25, 2019 4:42AM

    Old Thread Update

    Just ran across the Stack's auction for this which has photos that are much clearer on the under type. This is the same Ex-Rossa & Tanenbaum, Byron White, and Samuel Berngard specimen.

    This is a R8 with a pop 0/1/0 ATS:

    2008 Stack's Photos

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  • DCWDCW Posts: 7,737 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited March 25, 2019 5:38AM

    Whatever this is, it is AWESOME.

    Does anyone here own this beauty?

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