Awesome Feuchtwanger die trial - Low-119B, HT-266

Zoins

Just ran across this awesome ex-Berngard die trial on HA. Sometimes you see something that just knocks your socks off.

cmerlo1

Wow- and struck over a Conder token to boot!

Christos

That is very neat...

coinsarefun

Originally posted by: Realone
Now thats uberrkewel!

You took the words right outta my mouth.!!!

DCW

Wow! I wonder if ambro picked that one up for his awesome Feuchtwanger collection?

ricko

Wow... impressive....Cheers, RickO

CaptHenway

Why doesn't somebody post a picture of one of the finished tokens?

Zoins

Went out and found this ex-Oechsner piece for you Tom. Not only is the above the first die trail of this type I've seen, the below is the first TrueView variety of its kind I've seen:

johnny9434

way cool.

Zoins

Thanks for the information (in the now deleted post). It's good to know that the die trial may not be genuine after an in-hand inspection and that more investigation would be useful.

CaptHenway

Thanks for the picture.



Now, what was in the deleted post? Could somebody send me a direct?

Zoins

Originally posted by: CaptHenway

Now, what was in the deleted post?

A quick summary is that a forum member made an in-hand inspection with a loupe in 2008 and questions remained about whether the die trial was genuine.


There was a request to do an image overlay with a struck specimen for comparison which seems reasonable and worthwhile.

CaptHenway

Sounds like a reasonable request.

Aegis3

Here's my overlay. It's clearly the same device. Whether it's the same die is a more difficult question. The trial could not have been struck after the token; as grounding down the dentils and date (either selectively or not) would either yield wildly uneven fields or loss of much of the design.

So before then? Check the device punch, then add date and dentils, perhaps lathing the die down to size first? Personally I cannot rule it out. But the trial looks to be struck from a die that is rusted (though since I suspect the Conder design was lathed down on the punch side, I don't want to say anything definitive). So I wouldn't be confident in saying that the piece is a device punch trial from the same die as the token. So perhaps from a second die? Who knows; I'd have to say I'm not sure what to make of it.

Aegis3

I'm gonna ttt this. Plus, thinking about it a bit more, I notice the punch trial shows nothing indicative of a possible edge to the die.

Zoins

Originally posted by: Aegis3

I'm gonna ttt this. Plus, thinking about it a bit more, I notice the punch trial shows nothing indicative of a possible edge to the die.

At least one Feuchtwanger die has a much wider mid-section than at the token face. Is it possible that the die, when made, had a much wider face that was able to strike this die trial, before being cut down to a smaller token face?

Zoins

Old Thread Update

Just ran across the Stack's auction for this which has photos that are much clearer on the under type. This is the same Ex-Rossa & Tanenbaum, Byron White, and Samuel Berngard specimen.

• Jul 27, 2008, $8,625.00, Stacks: https://auctions.stacksbowers.com/lots/view/3-AXA25
• Jan, 2011: $5,750.00, Heritage: https://coins.ha.com/itm/hard-times-tokens/tokens-and-medals/1837-new-york-ms-three-cent-die-trial-ms64-brown-ngc-low-119b-ht-266-r8/a/1151-6556.s?ic4=GalleryView-Thumbnail-071515

This is a R8 with a pop 0/1/0 ATS:

• https://www.ngccoin.com/certlookup/1576873-020/64/

2008 Stack's Photos

DCW

Whatever this is, it is AWESOME.

Does anyone here own this beauty?