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MidLifeCrisisMidLifeCrisis Posts: 10,614 ✭✭✭✭✭
One of the best things about this forum is the eye candy...the coin porn...the nice looking coins that get posted. I think eye appeal is king.



Makes me wonder why people still buy ugly coins.



I can think of some reasons, but...all collectors should be coin snobs.



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    ZoinsZoins Posts: 34,489 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Reasons I can think of include:



    - Rarity - There Can Be Only One image

    - Filling a hole



    In the case of rarity, collectors can be snobs about different reasons and there are photos posted here of ugly rare coins as well image
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    MidLifeCrisisMidLifeCrisis Posts: 10,614 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Rarity is great. It's high on my list of reasons why I might buy a coin. But I have to like looking at the coin, even if it's the only one in existence.
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    ZoinsZoins Posts: 34,489 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. People can like looking at different things.



    I wonder if the people that have posted very rare, not classically good looking pieces, can respond to as whether they like the look of their rare, less photogenic coins or not.
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    WalkerfanWalkerfan Posts: 10,326 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Sometimes, you can't afford an example with the greatest eye appeal due to scarcity, so you just purchase the best that you can afford. Beauty can be subjective, as well.

    Sometimes, it’s better to be LUCKY than good. 🍀 🍺👍

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    MidLifeCrisisMidLifeCrisis Posts: 10,614 ✭✭✭✭✭
    It's all subjective, of course. Collect what makes you happy.



    As a colonial coin collector, I know that the crude, worn, and/or beat up pieces that are often found can have a certain charm all their own. Their history carries a LOT of weight.



    But that charm and history doesn't translate well when you're showing your collection to non-collectors or when it's time to sell.
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    MidLifeCrisisMidLifeCrisis Posts: 10,614 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Originally posted by: Walkerfan

    Sometimes, you can't afford an example with the greatest eye appeal due to scarcity, so you just purchase the best that you can afford.




    Why not wait until you can afford one with nice eye appeal?
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    ZoinsZoins Posts: 34,489 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I'm actually fine with just looking at photos - I don't have to own everything.



    I've actually been thinking it may be fun to have a fantasy registry set where people put together whatever coin photos they like, whether they own it or not. This can actually help people who cannot afford nice coins participate in numismatics.
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    YorkshiremanYorkshireman Posts: 4,613 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Originally posted by: MidLifeCrisis
    It's all subjective, of course. Collect what makes you happy.

    As a colonial coin collector, I know that the crude, worn, and/or beat up pieces that are often found can have a certain charm all their own. Their history carries a LOT of weight.

    But that charm and history doesn't translate well when you're showing your collection to non-collectors or when it's time to sell.


    So true!
    Yorkshireman,Obsessed collector of round, metallic pieces of history.Hunting for Latin American colonial portraits plus cool US & British coins.
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    ZoinsZoins Posts: 34,489 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I have to admit, I just picked up some ugly image



    Why I did it:



    1) related to a core collection

    2) rarity

    3) history

    4) limited cost



    Of course, I have to admit I don't post or talk about ugly image
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    WalkerfanWalkerfan Posts: 10,326 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Originally posted by: MidLifeCrisis
    Originally posted by: Walkerfan
    Sometimes, you can't afford an example with the greatest eye appeal due to scarcity, so you just purchase the best that you can afford.


    Why not wait until you can afford one with nice eye appeal?


    That depends upon a person's budget. Might just be too expensive for them.

    Sometimes, it’s better to be LUCKY than good. 🍀 🍺👍

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    MidLifeCrisisMidLifeCrisis Posts: 10,614 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Originally posted by: Zoins

    I've actually been thinking it may be fun to have a fantasy registry set where people put together whatever coin photos they like, whether they own it or not.




    I read that and thought of this:



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    WalkerfanWalkerfan Posts: 10,326 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Originally posted by: MidLifeCrisis
    Originally posted by: Zoins
    I've actually been thinking it may be fun to have a fantasy registry set where people put together whatever coin photos they like, whether they own it or not.


    I read that and thought of this:

    image

    image


    WOW!! That's certainly a fantasy piece!!

    MLC---Congrats on 10K posts!!

    Sometimes, it’s better to be LUCKY than good. 🍀 🍺👍

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    MidLifeCrisisMidLifeCrisis Posts: 10,614 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Thanks! I thought that coin was worthy of my 10,000th post. image
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    lordmarcovanlordmarcovan Posts: 45,153 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Originally posted by: MidLifeCrisis

    Rarity is great. It's high on my list of reasons why I might buy a coin. But I have to like looking at the coin, even if it's the only one in existence.




    Ditto.



    But I wasn't always this way, and still battle with impatience.



    Impatience can lead me to make compromises sometimes.

    Collector since 1976. On the CU forums here since 2001.

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    lordmarcovanlordmarcovan Posts: 45,153 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Hey, MLC... congrats on the milestone, and welcome to the 10K club!



    image



    So what's the title to be, then?

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    MidLifeCrisisMidLifeCrisis Posts: 10,614 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Thanks LordM!



    I have no idea...drawing a blank. Any suggestions?
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    lordmarcovanlordmarcovan Posts: 45,153 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Well, with your username being what it is, and looking to the future, we could try...


      I Was Around When You Were In Diapers
      So Old I Spent Chain Cents On Candy
      At The Peak And Headed Downhill


    But those might be too long.



    Or, considering some of your numismatic interests, if you're of a Classical bent, you could have a nice Latin phrase borrowed from the Pillar dollar:

      "Utraque Unum"
    Or, as it appears on the coins, "VTRA QVE VNUM".



    Or there's the more prosaic "MIND YOUR BUSINESS" from the Fugio cent...

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    bidaskbidask Posts: 14,057 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I worry about people who buy what they think are pretty coins but in reality have been messed with
    I manage money. I earn money. I save money .
    I give away money. I collect money.
    I don’t love money . I do love the Lord God.




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    bidaskbidask Posts: 14,057 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I am learning to get over my coin addiction and now only buy original eye appeal coins but I'm still far more picky picky picky . ??
    I manage money. I earn money. I save money .
    I give away money. I collect money.
    I don’t love money . I do love the Lord God.




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    Walkerguy21DWalkerguy21D Posts: 12,128 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Originally posted by: Walkerfan
    Sometimes, you can't afford an example with the greatest eye appeal due to scarcity, so you just purchase the best that you can afford. Beauty can be subjective, as well.


    Agreed! Compromise is the name of the game with early copper. If you are collecting Commemoratives, etc., where dozens of MS examples are available at any given time, eye appeal better be a top priority.

    I can live with minor problems on large cents, when I can find them at half the price of slightly nicer examples. As for 'subjective', some of my early large cents in genny holders look nicer than many that I see that straight graded. Of course, this comes from careful study and comparisons, not just buying any coin that fills a hole.




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    rickoricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭
    For some collectors, it is not so much the appearance of the coin, as it is the

    'possession' of a particular coin.... Cheers, RickO
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    ARCOARCO Posts: 4,462 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Originally posted by: MidLifeCrisis
    One of the best things about this forum is the eye candy...the coin porn...the nice looking coins that get posted. I think eye appeal is king.

    Makes me wonder why people still buy ugly coins.

    I can think of some reasons, but...all collectors should be coin snobs.

    image


    Well, really Fugly is usually noticeable to all, but mere ugly is not. The new term "crusty" equals UGLY to me. Circulated coins can have a neat original toning with great eye appeal, but "crusty" ain't that!

    Tyler
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    keetskeets Posts: 25,351 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Makes me wonder why people still buy ugly coins.



    you make me think of a song.........................

    One guy says "I saw your wife the other day. Man, that woman is uggleeee!" to which the other replies "Yeah, but she sure can cook."



    it probably works the same with coins.
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    BaleyBaley Posts: 22,663 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Originally posted by: MidLifeCrisis

    Originally posted by: Walkerfan

    Sometimes, you can't afford an example with the greatest eye appeal due to scarcity, so you just purchase the best that you can afford.




    Why not wait until you can afford one with nice eye appeal?




    Because, sometimes, that's "never"



    I've made compromises in order to work on my type set. Even so, I'm stalled.



    Not everyone is wealthy.



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    TwoSides2aCoinTwoSides2aCoin Posts: 45,093 ✭✭✭✭✭
    It's all them base hits that made Charlie Hustle.

    Who collects baseball cards even though their value isn't much ?
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    MidLifeCrisisMidLifeCrisis Posts: 10,614 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Beauty is in the eye of the beholder, of course....and so is ugly.



    Still...



    A great looking coin will rarely cause regret.



    An ugly coin can be regretted for a long time.
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    winkywinky Posts: 1,671
    Originally posted by: bidask
    I worry about people who buy what they think are pretty coins but in reality have been messed with


    I like your thought, good thinking.
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    ZoinsZoins Posts: 34,489 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Somehow I don't think this coin will be regretted at all image
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    coindeucecoindeuce Posts: 13,515 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Eye appeal is not king to lowball registry collectors.



    A number on a holder matters more. image

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    keyman64keyman64 Posts: 15,650 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Besides rarity and having to fill a hole, I cannot think of any other reason.

    There are a ton of ugly coins bought and sold every day but as I mature as

    a collector, my standards are becoming more strict. Lately, I have

    been focused on some very specific things and will be submitting close to

    30 coins to our host this next week. I consider all of them to have a healthy

    dose of eye appeal. A toast to the OP! image
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    ZoinsZoins Posts: 34,489 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Originally posted by: coindeuce

    Eye appeal is not king to lowball registry collectors.



    A number on a holder matters more. image



    Actually, having perused gold lowball registry sets I think there is beauty and eye appeal to those coins... imageimage
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    MidLifeCrisisMidLifeCrisis Posts: 10,614 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Beautiful coins come in all grades.



    So do ugly ones.
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    FredFFredF Posts: 527 ✭✭✭
    Ugly is sometimes in the eye of the beholder. I have a coin, a 1799 S$1 where it's clear that the coin was dipped. There is really dark black tarnish remaining that in essence outlines all the devices. I like the look because I like the effect, like someone outlined everything in black. 100% of the people who have seen the coin in hand have questioned why I bought this one.



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    DRUNNERDRUNNER Posts: 3,946 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I am a firm believer in eye appeal . . . . . . .

    But, I realize that the collecting fraternity is a continuum. Yes, we would all like to believe our taste is discriminating and eye appeal must be at the firewall for us to buy, but in reality, there are 10 collectors trying to fill a blue Whitman for every one of us with discriminating taste. There is room for those coins without top level eye appeal.

    I love great looking coins at all levels of grade !

    But . . . .there are many who develop through the hobby that need to be encouraged to just keep at it . . . .regardless of eye appeal . . .and in time, they will mature to the level of discriminating buyer. It is a progression we all go through . . . . .

    Drunner

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    leothelyonleothelyon Posts: 8,553 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Originally posted by: coindeuce
    Eye appeal is not king to lowball registry collectors.

    A number on a holder matters more. image


    As much as this might sound odd coming from me, I think those supposedly type of people just don't know any better or they are at a loss on what to do about the problem. Many just don't have the capacity to grade coins. Not that they haven't tried, I believe they have but are being told over and over again, 'no, the grade is correct, we have no intentions in making you whole based on a coin missing most of its details. So, in reality, they get stuck with ugly understruck, overrated coins because in the end, nobody cares. The only reason I can think of why these coins are still mislabeled.


    Leo




    The more qualities observed in a coin, the more desirable that coin becomes!

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    ambro51ambro51 Posts: 14,418 ✭✭✭✭✭
    You should only but beautifully toned Morgan dollars in PCGS holders. Leave the Vermonts for me
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    winkywinky Posts: 1,671
    I agreed with bidask earlier and some of my coins may not be pretty but they are original and have super eye appeal which in reality is EYE CANDY.
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    19Lyds19Lyds Posts: 26,503 ✭✭✭✭
    I snicker at this thread since "eye appeal" is totally subjective to the current market!

    Imagine comparing the "eye appeal" of the buxom beauties of the 1800's to today's skinny waited?



    Totally subjective to current social and market trends.





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    ZoinsZoins Posts: 34,489 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Originally posted by: 19Lyds

    I snicker at this thread since "eye appeal" is totally subjective to the current market!



    Imagine comparing the "eye appeal" of the buxom beauties of the 1800's to today's skinny waited?



    Totally subjective to current social and market trends.



    Because y what you love me and to heck with every body else's opinions on!




    So far, I don't have to worry too much about the 1800s, or the 2200s, since I don't expect to be around in those times, but who knows what the future holds image
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    CalGoldCalGold Posts: 2,608 ✭✭
    I suspect that some people have been lectured that originality is everything, and have been shown dark silver coins the color of mud and have been told that is the way coins “should look.” We have seen this play out time and again right here in a variety of ugly coins fests with the posters receiving kudos for their “nice” “original” coins. To be fair, a lot of 19th century and earlier silver that can be found on the market is not attractive and comes either dark and ugly or as a dipped out white ghost. The eye popping trophy coins that are sometimes shown were acquired at substantial premiums, and are often beyond the means of most collectors.



    CG

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    jdimmickjdimmick Posts: 9,965 ✭✭✭✭✭
    A few years back, I would buy a coin that was okay , because it was either really expensive nicer , or all that was availalble due to rarity, (I never purchased ugly coins) Not any more,



    If the eye-appeal is not off the charts , I pass. I presently do not own any coins in my personal collection (that are not blow your socks off nice)





    In fact funny story. I have a 16-d merc in 64+ fb that is dynamite , about as nice as you will see in a 4 holder, had it for several years now and love it.



    I just handled a collection where the guy had a pcgs 63FB 16-d it was just plain damn ugly. Bought it low because of this, sold it in Baltimore this weekend at a wholesale price and was glad to get rid of it.



    Funny thing is the dealer that sold him that coin thought it was nice? Please
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    leothelyonleothelyon Posts: 8,553 ✭✭✭✭✭
    The Eye Appeal is not King unless the strike and condition and luster and toning are all kings at once. And for a few series, a coin with all 4 Kings is a very tall order these days. And anyone aware of this fact, are in a constant search/hunt for them. But most of those coins have been snatched up and are in collector's hands, after many (not all) paid dearly for them when the market was good. But for now...............tick tock, tick tock


    Leo

    The more qualities observed in a coin, the more desirable that coin becomes!

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    SoCalBigMarkSoCalBigMark Posts: 2,848 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Unless you never find them in that condition don't buy copper with spots, just don't.
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    ElcontadorElcontador Posts: 7,740 ✭✭✭✭✭
    There are some coins which pretty much all of us will agree are "eye candy." But quite often, the term is subjective. I've butted heads with some people here who posted six figure coins, very low pop coins that I would not want in my collection under any circumstances.

    Most toned coins will generate many dissenting opinions re their eye appeal among forum members. I have several toned SLQs that I really think are attractive, but the TPGs don't think so.

    I'd rather have a solid for the grade coin which I think is attractive than pay a strong premium for a coin in the same grade which some think is "eye candy."
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    TPRCTPRC Posts: 3,817 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Originally posted by: Zoins
    Somehow I don't think this coin will be regretted at all image



    Good example! That coin is ugly....or not!

    Tom

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    toyz4geotoyz4geo Posts: 1,506 ✭✭✭✭✭
    While beauty is certainly in the eye of the beholder, I have to admit, when I look at some of the coins in my collection I ask myself "what in the world were you thinking???".

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    stmanstman Posts: 11,352 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I find it interesting that the ones that continually come here and slam what some people enjoy to collect...... I never see them post their own coins. Just an observation is all.
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    3keepSECRETif2rDEAD3keepSECRETif2rDEAD Posts: 4,285 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Originally posted by: TwoSides2aCoin
    It's all them base hits that made Charlie Hustle.


    image

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    Hi Mid Life,

    This is an interesting thread. As you know, I also have collected Colonial Coins for many decades and have tried to still maintain a collection with coins of great eye appeal in context to the coins. For example, it is near impossible to complete a set of Vermont or Machin Mills colonials with great eye appeal. But you can get a pretty good group if you are patient.

    But then when you study the extant population or what makes a coin that was deliberately made to look circulated, eye appeal becomes a broader concept than just bright and shinny. Or even being more respectful lusturous and perfectly struck.

    But I guess what made me stop and think about this post is that I am currently contemplating a coin that is a high R-7 rarity that never comes nice. Yet this is the finest known example. What do you? Sieze the moment, just p***** it by an accept that if you prize eye appeal in whatever your definition, you can't have all varieties of certain series. Expand your definition of eye appeal. Make limited exceptions.

    I try to use the concept of never buying a coin unless it leaves my over all collection equal or better.

    A wise old collector once told me the opportunity to buy certain coins are rarer than the coin itself. I know this will R-7+ opportunity will never come again.

    What to do?

    Just rambling post Thanksgiving thoughts.

    novacaeasarea

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    leothelyonleothelyon Posts: 8,553 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Originally posted by: novacaesarea
    Hi Mid Life,

    This is an interesting thread. As you know, I also have collected Colonial Coins for many decades and have tried to still maintain a collection with coins of great eye appeal in context to the coins. For example, it is near impossible to complete a set of Vermont or Machin Mills colonials with great eye appeal. But you can get a pretty good group if you are patient.

    But then when you study the extant population or what makes a coin that was deliberately made to look circulated, eye appeal becomes a broader concept than just bright and shinny. Or even being more respectful lusturous and perfectly struck.

    But I guess what made me stop and think about this post is that I am currently contemplating a coin that is a high R-7 rarity that never comes nice. Yet this is the finest known example. What do you? Sieze the moment, just p***** it by an accept that if you prize eye appeal in whatever your definition, you can't have all varieties of certain series. Expand your definition of eye appeal. Make limited exceptions.

    I try to use the concept of never buying a coin unless it leaves my over all collection equal or better.

    A wise old collector once told me the opportunity to buy certain coins are rarer than the coin itself. I know this will R-7+ opportunity will never come again.

    What to do?

    Just rambling post Thanksgiving thoughts.

    novacaeasarea



    ----Yet this is the finest known example.---

    Aside from what the label says and if there were enough other examples to draw your conclusions, maybe there were not than it becomes a op-buy.


    Leo

    The more qualities observed in a coin, the more desirable that coin becomes!

    My Jefferson Nickel Collection

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