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Buying a coin contingent on crossing....and it upgrades?

ProofmorganProofmorgan Posts: 964 ✭✭✭✭✭
I have agreed to buy coins from dealers contingent that they cross them to PCGS first. Based on the coin I sometimes pay for the coin ahead of time as I want the coin, crossed or not. In other cases it really needs to be PCGS. The fees for the cross are always paid for by me.

The question becomes: What if your coin upgrades and jumps considerably in value? Has anyone been in this situation or could give their opinion of how that scenario should play out?

Collector of Original Early Gold with beginnings in Proof Morgan collecting.

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    jdimmickjdimmick Posts: 9,964 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Had this happen once.



    Saw a mid 5 figure coin I was interested in. Told the dealer if you gets this crossed, ill be interested. (coin was nice, shouldn't have had no problem crossing, but I didn't have the insurance to cover to pcgs and back) dealer would have been willing to sell at a slight discount prior, but once it crossed and actually upgraded, they honored the original price (with out discount of course) which I was fine with.



    jim



    On a much smaller scale , I have sold coins to customers at x price, only for them to have me send them in and it comes back better that I expected. its a done deal IMO. sometimes I think, I should have sent it my self, but a happy customer is worth more to me in the long run.
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    BillJonesBillJones Posts: 35,860 ✭✭✭✭✭
    When I was a dealer my attitude was if a coin upgraded subsequently, great for the buyer. If I got the money I wanted out of the coin, I was satisfied.


    The only time I had any sort of a contingent deal about grading was with a 1795 half cent. The coin was raw, and I wanted it graded for my registry set. The coin was an easy AU-58. The only question was whether or not it would go into an error holder because it had a tiny planchet clip. If it was marked as an error (clipped planchet) I didn't want it at the dealer's price because the error holder would lower the value.

    The deal was I would buy the coin at the dealer's price if the coin came back with a straight grade. It did come back with the straight grade, and it is now in my collection.

    Retired dealer and avid collector of U.S. type coins, 19th century presidential campaign medalets and selected medals. In recent years I have been working on a set of British coins - at least one coin from each king or queen who issued pieces that are collectible. I am also collecting at least one coin for each Roman emperor from Julius Caesar to ... ?
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    oih82w8oih82w8 Posts: 13,112 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I have done this a few times with raw coins, having an agreement with the seller for me to buy it, slab it and go from there. If it slabs without problems I'll keep it and absorb the fees. If it comes back with "details", I would still absorb the fees, but return the coin within the holder.



    I am batting .500 on this type of situation: one p a s s ed muster, as a raw coin;



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    ...one did not make it...cleaned
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    oih82w8oih82w8 Posts: 13,112 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Oh my goodness, the "donkey filter" is still kicking!
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    ColonelJessupColonelJessup Posts: 6,442 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Buy the coin, not the holder.
    "People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf." - Geo. Orwell
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    TomBTomB Posts: 23,081 ✭✭✭✭✭
    This is something you address, preferably in writing, before the coin goes in for grading.
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    TwoSides2aCoinTwoSides2aCoin Posts: 45,083 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Contingency plans make for Happier Thanksgivings, Pilgrims.
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    rickoricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Interesting situation.... I would bet that it would depend on the dealer... most would honor the

    deal IMO.... there are some, some that I have known while going to shows in WA state, that

    would definitely say...'New deal now...'.... Cheers, RickO
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    lordmarcovanlordmarcovan Posts: 45,126 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Originally posted by: oih82w8

    I have done this a few times with raw coins, having an agreement with the seller for me to buy it, slab it and go from there. If it slabs without problems I'll keep it and absorb the fees. If it comes back with "details", I would still absorb the fees, but return the coin within the holder.



    I am batting .500 on this type of situation: one p a s s ed muster, as a raw coin;



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    ...one did not make it...cleaned




    That is a fanfreakintastic looking half dime!



    And a fair way to approach a dealer about it, I think.



    Originally posted by: TomB

    This is something you address, preferably in writing, before the coin goes in for grading.




    Yes, definitely.



    Collector since 1976. On the CU forums here since 2001.

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    I would get a deal in writing even if just in email with an agreement. I would ask the dealers opinion on this before even buying the coin to see how they operate. Every coin I have sold is sold at the price agreed upon based on the coin not the holder. As stated buy the coin not the holder and you will be fine.

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