Newp Blazer Frankie

AuroraBorealis · November 12, 2015 2:53PM

This one started off to me in a 67* holder... I have it sent in to cross at any grade to our host and had a pretty good idea that it would end up in a lower grade... Yes as expected in ends up in a 6 holder but ends up with an addition of FBL...
Technically in my opinion it ends up in the correct grade and in the plactic I prefer... I believe I did the right thing and without a doubt it`s still the same coin and gorgeous regardless...
Who would have done the same thing and who thinks i`m crazy?

AB

Original Holder

Crossed And Now MS66FBL

lordmarcovan · November 12, 2015 2:57PM

Wow. That's a wild one.

So you lost a point and the star but ended up with an FBL designation?

Glad you're happy with the decision. This is not my series so I wouldn't have anything to say on that, pro or con. It's a neat looking coin either way.

PS- and the TrueView is also an added benefit, IMHO.

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TopographicOceans · November 12, 2015 3:07PM

I've paid a point for PCGS plastic more times than I care to admit.
I like the holders better and want consistancy in my collection.

That neon Frankie looks good in or out of any holder though.

lordmarcovan · November 12, 2015 3:10PM

Originally posted by: TopographicOceans

I've paid a point for PCGS plastic more times than I care to admit.

I like the holders better and want consistancy in my collection.

Same here.

OldIndianNutKase · November 12, 2015 3:50PM

Thanks for sharing your cross over experience on this coin, AB. But I think that you were buying the toning and not the coin. Toning is never a positive impact on the grade with PCGS, unless it is Qustionable Color. Really nice toning like on your coin, does not seem to ever effect the numerical grade. I think that all coins should have a "color" grade, and this specimen could be a "TN" or toned coin. I am very glad that coins like this still exist and have not been dipped.

OINK

keyman64 · November 12, 2015 7:21PM

Who cares? Buy the coin, not the holder...especially in this case!

That thing is beautiful!!! Congratulations! Love it!

chumley · November 12, 2015 9:50PM

not often you see Mr. Franklin dressed up for Mardi Gras and he displays better in the PCGS holder......well done

oih82w8 · November 12, 2015 10:11PM

In my experiences with crossing over from NGC to PCGS, I too have lost a point on more than one occasion...although there were a few that have straight crossed over.

Nice vivid colors that are beginning to overflow onto the reverse. Congrats on FBL!

TomB · November 12, 2015 10:47PM

I love it. The coin is stunning and reminds me of how one used to be able to find deep, vivid color from time-to-time when going through raw double mint sets. It has color that is not unusual for a 1958-D, but its intensity and complete coverage are, without a doubt, exceptional. I would have no issue with crossing it as you have done.

CommemKing · November 12, 2015 10:58PM

That's a looker for sure. Nice mint set toner. The bell lines look like a lock for FBL. I would keep it in that slab. I like the star and who really cares about the grade on that one? Congrats.

jerseycat101 · November 12, 2015 10:59PM

Sweet coin. Don't think the change in grade or attribution matters in this instance.

DollarAfterDollar · November 12, 2015 11:15PM

Very pretty coin. I'd bet you took at least a $500 haircut with the downgrade from MS67* to plain old MS 66. I would not have done that but I'm a penny pincher.

ricko · November 12, 2015 11:57PM

I do not chase grades as a goal, I buy (and hold) what I like.... and this one, Wayne, sure

fits your collection..... Cheers, RickO

asheland · November 13, 2015 12:50AM

Nice!

MrD · November 13, 2015 3:26AM

Very pretty coin!! Someone got you a great coin!!

coinsarefun · November 13, 2015 3:40AM

Super coin AB.....congrat's!!

etexmike · November 13, 2015 3:41AM

A beautiful Frankie in any holder. Congrats on the addition.

Mike

georgiacop50 · November 13, 2015 3:46AM

Originally posted by: OldIndianNutKase
Toning is never a positive impact on the grade with PCGS, unless it is Qustionable Color.
OINK

No disrespect intended NutKase, but that statement is just so untrue!

jerseycat101 · November 13, 2015 3:52AM

Originally posted by: georgiacop50

Originally posted by: OldIndianNutKase
Toning is never a positive impact on the grade with PCGS, unless it is Qustionable Color.
OINK

No disrespect intended NutKase, but that statement is just so untrue!

I agree that it is untrue. I have seen many '+' grades that appear to be attributable to desirable toning. Almost a pseudo-star designation.

Swampboy · November 13, 2015 4:03AM

O M G

abcde12345 · November 13, 2015 4:18AM

In the Franklin series, an MS67, even with NGC is much better than a PCGS MS66.

I'd have simply had NGC re-holder and been happy with that.

If you simply HAD to attempt a cross, why not at the same grade?

koynekwest · November 13, 2015 9:12AM

Spectacular! I wish my rainbow Franklins were like that one!

Ablinky · November 13, 2015 10:31AM

Awesome coin!

SeattleSlammer · November 13, 2015 10:47AM

Way cool.

I'd prefer the PCGS 66FBL over the NGC 67* everyday of the week.

SeattleSlammer · November 13, 2015 10:54AM

Originally posted by: SeattleSlammer
Way cool.
I'd prefer the PCGS 66FBL over the NGC 67* everyday of the week.

Now that I look at the price guide I may have to take that back.

djdilliodon · November 13, 2015 11:25AM

Ngc most likely gave it a bump to 67 for the color (superb eye appeal). If it was my coin I would of sent it in for designation review so ngc could add the fbl for a MS67*FBL

.

coinbuf · November 13, 2015 11:41AM

I would not have taken the route you did, however I am not driven by plastic brands as you are. I buy coins because I like coins not the plastic around them, to each their own. As to the coin it certainly suits your collection and I'll leave it at that.

WildIdea · November 13, 2015 12:36PM

In my head, I typically think of blast white coins Blazers. Oped my mind to the color blazer concept though. Thanks!

Not seeing the bottom bell lines. Is one service only counting the top lines or who does what there. Who really cares about that though on a coin like this, it's all about the color for this one, so the star gets it right IMO. Bet they would grade it the same as before if sent back.

Thanks for sharing, I've considered buying a 58 D in color before in the past. They are on my radar for sure.

AuroraBorealis · November 13, 2015 1:04PM

Wow thank you so much for the great feedback everyone... Glad most have a liking for the coin...
One thing that has been proven time and time again... When it comes to the price guides/or estimates, they very quickly get thrown in the fire when it comes to monster toning...
When or better said IF I every part ways with any of my stuff I want the chatter to be "that is an amazing and solid graded collection!"

Either way your opinion... I truley enjoy hearing the different views and ideas... I want to also make sure to run it by the forum from time to time to make sure i`m doing it right...

AB

Zoins · November 13, 2015 1:08PM

This is a super nice looking coin. Love the overall color and blue hues in the slab photo. Great pickup!

Justacommeman · November 13, 2015 1:27PM

Originally posted by: TomB

I love it. The coin is stunning and reminds me of how one used to be able to find deep, vivid color from time-to-time when going through raw double mint sets. It has color that is not unusual for a 1958-D, but its intensity and complete coverage are, without a doubt, exceptional. I would have no issue with crossing it as you have done.

Me neither. Great coin AB

mark

david3142 · November 13, 2015 1:40PM

Originally posted by: WildIdea

In my head, I typically think of blast white coins Blazers. Oped my mind to the color blazer concept though. Thanks!

Not seeing the bottom bell lines. Is one service only counting the top lines or who does what there. Who really cares about that though on a coin like this, it's all about the color for this one, so the star gets it right IMO. Bet they would grade it the same as before if sent back.

I agree with the first part. Blazer means blast white to me too. As for the FBL designation, PCGS only considers the bottom two lines while NGC considers the top set as well. Given the different criteria, I believe both services got the designation right.

I'm guessing AB doesn't care about the price difference since the color is going to dominate the grade if (big if

) he decides to sell.

Hydrant · November 14, 2015 6:34AM

Great addition to your collection, I'm sure.

Lakesammman · November 14, 2015 8:55AM

Now Frankies! What is the world coming to.........aren't there any wildly toned Canadian coins??

Justacommeman · November 14, 2015 9:50AM

Originally posted by: Lakesammman

Now Frankies! What is the world coming to.........aren't there any wildly toned Canadian coins??

You can take the boy out of Long Island but you can't take the Long Island out of the boy

mark

AuroraBorealis · November 14, 2015 9:54AM

Coppercolor · November 14, 2015 10:04AM

Great coin AB!

That cheek mark does seem to limit it to 66. So I would say "what a great coin and solid for the grade"

. But I also think you'll have no trouble getting it into a 66+ holder if you're inclined.

It reminds me a LOT of this coin I made about two years ago which is a little cleaner, except, yours is prettier! This coin graded 66, first time and 67 FBL the second. The right grade is 67- FBL. The image shorts the pop quite a bit but the color pattern is unmistakable.

Newp Blazer Frankie

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