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Probably an old question...

I deal on the PSA side of sending in submissions and don't have to worry whether or not a card is a error variation. I know PSA will most times label it correctly. However, on your side it looks like I have to submit it as a error or whatever variation. I don't have all day to blow up every coin to find out if my Morgan dollar has a mustache or not...lol. I thought we are paying them to tell us what we have.

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    lordmarcovanlordmarcovan Posts: 45,140 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Originally posted by: Carew29

    don't have all day to blow up every coin to find out if my Morgan dollar has a mustache or not...lol.




    Don't feel bad, CardboardDude. I'm a coin guy and don't have time for all that minutiae, either. image

    Collector since 1976. On the CU forums here since 2001.

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    rickoricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Actually, you are paying for encapsulation and verification (or not) of what you believe

    you have.... Not sure how far the graders go beyond that... perhaps someone can elaborate?

    Cheers, RickO
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    TopographicOceansTopographicOceans Posts: 6,535 ✭✭✭✭
    When you submit a coin for grading, it is a pretty quick and straightforward process for the grader.



    But when you ask for an error coin to be validated it takes them more time to research it. There are many varieties of known errors and PCGS may not recognize/honor all of them. Some may not be published

    So you are paying extra for the extra service.
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    DollarAfterDollarDollarAfterDollar Posts: 3,217 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Often times you may have a variety coin in your submission. If you don't ask for the variety attribution (or in many cases pay for it) PCGS will not put that on the label.
    If you do what you always did, you get what you always got.
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    Carew29Carew29 Posts: 4,025 ✭✭
    So you are just out the money if your wrong? Does not seem fair to the submitter. So what do you do? Post the coin and go with the consensus?
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    winkywinky Posts: 1,671
    You must label it when sending it to PCGS.
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    AUandAGAUandAG Posts: 25,038 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Yes, you do need to do some research to be sure. However, if you are not sure of the variety please post pics and we'll be happy to help.



    Many coins do not need a variety payment as they stand on their own and that can be seen by just looking at the PCGS price guide. If it has it's own number then no variety fee is needed. For instance, the 1888-o Morgan Dollar Hot Lips has it's own number of 7308. No variety fee is needed.



    The 1890-cc tailbar has it's own number and no fee is needed, but the 1891-cc spitting eagle needs the fee. It is a variety that PCGS recognizes but the fee is still required.



    Confusing but the need to verify the variety does require time unless it's one of the majors that needs no research by the graders.



    Now that I have confused you even further, just post the coin for us to view as we love to look at them anyway!



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    Registry: CC lowballs (boblindstrom), bobinvegas1989@yahoo.com
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    AMRCAMRC Posts: 4,280 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I am seeing 2 concepts here.



    Errors: You must call them out, or for the most part, they will come back as Genuine. You must pay the "Error" fee to get the Error designation. I have never had a coin come back in an error holder I did not pay for.



    Varieties: Some varieties are included in the grading price and some are not. You can tell by the little "+" sign when looking at the PCGS Coin numbers in the price guide. There are many varieties that are included. e.g. many 80/79 varieties. Many of HOT/TOP VAMs require a fee. If you are wrong it comes back graded without the designation, and rightly so because they are paid to check it. If however it has another variety, and it is one they acknowledge (HOT/TOP) they will add that one to your slab even though you did not ask for it as part of your original fee.



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    291fifth291fifth Posts: 25,206 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Time is money and it takes time (and expertise) to determine variety designations correctly. This is especially true in the case of minor (or just plain insignificant) varieties that some collectors seem to crave these days.
    All glory is fleeting.
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    unclebobunclebob Posts: 433 ✭✭✭
    Part of the fun is attributing coins, but I can see it being a burden for a dealer.



    Too many are not worth the bother due to grade/condition issues or just common VAM's.



    My advice is to take FOCUSED, WELL LIT, FULL FRAME with zoom capable images and just list them on Ebay.



    (Nothing annoys me more than crap ebay auction images)



    Give it 7-10 day auctions starting at .99 cent and wait for the VAMers to find it.



    They will come and you will make more money for the time invested.



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    ShadyDaveShadyDave Posts: 2,217 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I love eBay auctions with bad photos! Easy pickings at a discount...and normally with less interest or bidding due to the poor/lazy pics!
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    LindeDadLindeDad Posts: 18,766 ✭✭✭✭✭
    It's pretty simple you still get what you pay for in most cases.

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    keetskeets Posts: 25,351 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Often times you may have a variety coin in your submission.



    I know it's a technicality, but every coin is actually a die variety.

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