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Strickland-Oswald 1794 flowing hair dollar
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When Rowland Denys Guy Winn sold his collection as the Major the Lord St. Oswald collection in 1964, some pieces like the 1794 flowing hair silver dollar PCGS MS66+ had been in his family's cabinet since William Strickland picked them up in 1794.
While these are certainly among the coins that stayed the longest in a single family's collection, are there ones that have been in a single family's possession for longer?
Also, what do people think it will sell for?
While these are certainly among the coins that stayed the longest in a single family's collection, are there ones that have been in a single family's possession for longer?
Also, what do people think it will sell for?
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In excess of $5M
Which major collectors / collections could be interested in acquiring the Strickland-Oswald flowing hair specimen?
Collector since 1976. On the CU forums here since 2001.
My guess on the 1794 is $4,993,750, just about the catalog's high estimate.
Here is a link to the lot which has a lot of interesting historical info also:
http://www.stacksbowers.com/BrowseAuctions/LotDetail/tabid/227/AuctionID/6073/Lot/2041/Default.aspx
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<< <i>My guess on the 1794 is $4,993,750, just about the catalog's high estimate.
Here is a link to the lot which has a lot of interesting historical info also:
http://www.stacksbowers.com/BrowseAuctions/LotDetail/tabid/227/AuctionID/6073/Lot/2041/Default.aspx >>
Congrats! Great guess ($4,250,000 + juice)!
Hey, I called the 1794 $ price exactly! What do I win Bob Barker?
"To Be Esteemed Be Useful" - 1792 Birch Cent --- "I personally think we developed language because of our deep need to complain." - Lily Tomlin
<< <i>Hey, I called the 1794 $ price exactly! What do I win Bob Barker? >>
Certainly prize worthy!
It would have been great to win a gold Pogue sale token! - but alas, there aren't any.
<< <i>Hey, I called the 1794 $ price exactly! What do I win Bob Barker? >>
Nicely done!
Hopefully the new client will start building up a great collection!
It was first acquired by William Strickland, 6th Baron Boynton, (February 18, 1753 – January 8, 1834) during his travels to the US where he met with George Washington, Thomas Jefferson and John Adams.
It was sold from the family by Roland Winn, 4th Baron St Oswald (September 19, 1916 – December 19, 1984) in 1964.
The family peerage extends back to Henry II when they were gifted lands around 1170-1180. The Strickland name has been in use (at least) since the 12th century. The family has had members in Parliament since the earliest days and Roland Winn was a member of the House of Lords.
Is there a photo of the family's 18th century Thomas Chippendale coin cabinet available?
William Strickland and George Washington are related and both direct descendents of the Stricklands.
The George Washington connection was made when Joan De Strickland (1272–1352) married Robert De Wessington. Given that the Stricklands were land owners and had been members of Parliament since the earliest days, Washington does have a connection to the peerage of England.
I'm wondering if William Strickland and George Washington knew they were related when they met? Perhaps Washington even got to hold 1794 flowing hair dollar. The provenance of this coin is getting more interesting
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<< <i>Hey, I called the 1794 $ price exactly! What do I win Bob Barker? >>
Nicely done! >>
So I take it that the winning bidder was not you, or was it? I was thinking you still needed one that was not "SP"
<< <i>Is there a photo of the family's 18th century Thomas Chippendale coin cabinet available? >>
Yessir.
The Nostell Priory cabinet by Chippendale
The Nostell Priory Cabinet by Chippendale
Hey, it's your money, but I find that things like that can be useful as trade bait.
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<< <i>Is there a photo of the family's 18th century Thomas Chippendale coin cabinet available? >>
Yessir.
The Nostell Priory cabinet by Chippendale
That's very awesome. It's nice to know that this was commissioned in 1767 by Roland Winn, 5th Baronet (24 Feb 1739 - 20 Feb 1785), the same name as Roland Winn, 4th Baron St Oswald, that sold this coin from the family. This indicates that William Strickland is from a family of prominent coin collectors and was not some random person that happened to pick up a few coins in the US.
It's also very interesting that the 1st, 2nd, 3rd, and 4th Barons St Oswald are all named Roland Winn. And I thought the Garrett pedigree was neat. Imagine giving the pedigree for this coin as William Strickland, Roland Winn, Roland Winn, Roland Winn, and Roland Winn
<< <i>Hey, I called the 1794 $ price exactly! What do I win Bob Barker? >>
Well played, Sir! Well played!
Pistareen: <<Yessir.
The Nostell Priory cabinet by Chippendale>>
This is really cool! So, was this cabinet a former home of the Oswald-Hayes-Pogue 1794 dollar and of all the other 1794-95 Oswald U.S. coins that Christie's auctioned in 1964?
Win: <<My guess on the 1794 is $4,993,750, just about the catalog's high estimate.>>
Perhaps Win will explain his insights.
Although this was a strong price, it was not one of the stronger prices in the auction. I believe that more than one dealer would have been willing to inventory the coin at a price between 3.5 and 4.1 (including the 17.5%). Intense bidding propelled the early tens to high levels. A few of the quarter eagles brought very strong to extremely strong prices.
Also, the quality of the Oswald-Hayes-Pogue 1794 exceeded expectations. The pictures in the Hayes catalogue do not give the impression that it is a gem coin. Few people have seen the coin since 1985, even fewer since it was briefly displayed in 2001. Auction bidders and fans did not know what to expect. It turned out to be a terrific coin, much better than rumors indicated. It was pleasure to examine the Oswald-Hayes-Pogue 1794.
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